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Post by sss on Jul 30, 2013 15:49:23 GMT
All, thanks for sharing your insights about life in the new Rakkah compound. It seems all new hires are being sent there. I have several questions below and would like your feedback:
1. How long should I expect to be in Rakkah before I have a chance to move to Dhahran? I am guesing part of it depends on GC but what is a realisitc expectation for someone with a 14/15 GC?
2. Someone noted that the trip from Rakkah to Dhahran is 25 minutes one way. Does that factor in the time to go through security? Realistically, how long would the commute take each way for kids going to and coming back from school (I imagine several stops as well as two security checkposts)? What about estimated time it would take for people to commute to Dhahran for work?
3. Since women cannot drive between Rakkha and Dhahran, what are the alternatives to visit kids in school if the dad is not around? Are these limited to a) Bus, b) personal car with driver, and c) taxi?
4. How easy / hard will it be to get domestic help (maids, drivers, etc.) in Rakkah compared to Dhahran? I cannot imagine being without a full time driver given school and hospital are in Dhahran. What will be the source of that labor? Is it coming from the same pool of labor as that for Dhahran?
5. Dhahran has a large number of groups / activities / clubs to keep people occupied. Has something along those lines already been set up? If so, where can I get more details on it?
6. Bahrain is supposedly about an hour away from Dhahran (depending on border time). How long would it take roughly to get from Rakkah to Bahrain?
7. Seems there are several dining options within the compound at Dhahran, as well as several delivery options? I read that there is only one dining option at Rakkah. Is that correct? What about delivery options?
Many thanks everyone for sharing their perspectives...
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Post by vpainter on Jul 30, 2013 18:08:21 GMT
1). Your initial housing assignment is for 2 years, at that time you can get on the bid list and bid on houses that come available in DHA. This can be a very long process though when you only have points for a couple of years. Also depends on how picky you are on getting the housing style you want. There are some people on the bid list that never win a bid because of them not liking the houses available or they are out bid. Your GC will give you a few more points, but there are people with lots of points on the bid list bidding against you.
2) When we went on the bus, that included time thru security checks. They do not take long. Official word is the commute is 30 to 35 minutes, time will also depend on where you need to get off for your office, they are taking people to their offices at this time. School buses will have the same time as well.
3). There are hourly shuttle buses running between Rakkah and DHA from 6 am to 10 pm. There are designated taxis in Rakkah and you will find private drivers by word of mouth after you arrive. Most Aramco expats do not hire their own personal full time driver.
4). Aramco has a Houseboy Service, their number will be on the phone list that is in your home on arrival. If you want one, you will be able to find one. It would be good to ask your neighbors who they use, they usually work for more than one family.
5). Some of the DHA self directed groups are already active on Rakkah. As the residents of Rakkah identify what they want on their compound, Aramco will work with them to provide space and equipment. Self directed group information is in your home upon arrival.
6) add the 30 mins on and it will take about 90 mins, depending on causeway time.
7). You will have all the delivery options DHA has, just probably from different restaurant locations. Dining options with in the compound will increase with population increase as the restaurants can be supported by the residents.
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Post by sss on Jul 30, 2013 20:31:08 GMT
Sincere thanks for the point-by-point reply. I feel I can make a more informed decision now. I will post any follow-up questions I have.
Best,
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Post by revive on Jul 30, 2013 21:39:45 GMT
We also have been thinking about how wife can take kids to after-school activities, tutors, piano lessons, which are available in Dhahran. We figured out a couple of potential solutions. (1) I could drive a car to the office and park near the bus stop. Wife will ride a bus to DHA and then drive the car to get around DHA. Or, (2) We could also buy a cheap "camp car" which will be used to get around DHA.
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Post by UmmRiyam on Jul 31, 2013 6:01:52 GMT
Actually, I don't think it will take any longer to go to Bahrain than from Dhahran because Rakkah is on the corniche road, and you can drive down that road straight to the bridge to Bahrain. You wouldn't have to go all the way back out of Khobar to the highway you would take from Dhahran camp.
I think you may actually have a lot more delivery options than Dhahran due to the location. There are lots of restaurants on the corniche road.
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Post by sss on Jul 31, 2013 12:50:33 GMT
Thanks vpainter and UmmRiyam....so the conclusions I can draw from your comments are:
PROS / NEUTRAL POINTS - Bigger house and newer appliances, etc. and some marginal financial benefits (free internet, etc.) - More food delivery options - Pre-k school in compound - Same travel time to Bahrain as from DHA - Domestic help (maids, etc.) can be found
CONS - Once you're there, likely difficult to move to DHA given new hires will have fewer bidding points to work with - 35-40 minutes longer commute for kids to school and employee to work - Children cannot come back for lunch from school - DHA has a much larger EXISTING set of activities / groups; Rakkah will be all new and is going to evolve over time - Wife cannot go to DHA activities, school, etc. except by bus. Same for return from DHA back to Rakkah. As revive suggested, perhaps there are ways around this but seem to be too much trouble - No hospital in Rakkah
Anything else I am missing?
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Post by vpainter on Aug 1, 2013 14:18:37 GMT
There is not a hospital in ABQ, RT or UDH and Rakkah, although all have a medical clinic on the compound. All specialists are also in DHA.
Commute is 30 to 35 mins. And can happen in 25. The work bus would be the longer bus ride depending on where your office is located on the route. The school buses will go straight to the schools, not a big circuit like the work offices.
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Post by revive on Aug 1, 2013 17:04:06 GMT
Additional pros & cons:
PROS - can suggest whatever new activities / amenities you are interested in - K-3 is available in Rakkah (currently not available in Dhahran) - Likely stronger sense of community (much smaller camp, all residents are westerners and all have multiple kids) - Quicker access to restaurants, groceries, Corniche in Khobar
CONS - no gae - no backyard fencing (as of now) - Maybe slightly higher security risk by virtue of living in Khobar instead of the secluded Dhahran. This is probably arguable. The added risk is almost zero/negligible when everything is stable like now (or in the past several years & also the foreseeable future), so this may not be a factor for now.
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Post by vpainter on Aug 1, 2013 19:56:41 GMT
You also have Aramco security.
Also other nationalities are being assigned to Rakkah. It will not be just Americans.
Couples without children are being assigned to Rakkah now.
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Post by revive on Aug 1, 2013 21:46:29 GMT
I should have said "all residents are westerners", not Americans. I edited my earlier comment. Thanks.
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Post by sss on Aug 2, 2013 13:07:21 GMT
Thanks to everyone for adding their insights (especially vpainter who is amazingly helpful)...its very informative. I feel better prepared now. Guess the two things that cause me the most angst regarding Rakkah are:
a. Commute time to school for kids, and b. Not being part of a well-established community
I guess it is what it is and we don't really have a lot of say. As long as we come with the right mindset, we should be fine.
Any ideas on how many families are already physically living in Rakkah?
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Post by vpainter on Aug 2, 2013 13:26:27 GMT
The last count I have had is about 20, there are new hires moving in weekly. 16 of those families are families who have been here living in RT so new hires have some families who already know the ropes. From last week to mid August, unless their arrival dates change (and they do) there are 17 new families moving in, and that is just the ones I am aware of. Others are moving in also.
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Post by Baker2253 on Aug 3, 2013 21:00:04 GMT
We are a Canadian family that will hopefully find out in the coming weeks if our visa and medical cleared! It appears that we will be moving to Rakkah if everything goes through. I have been reading many posts that have been helpful in our decision.
My main concern with Rakkah is the Bus ride for my two children to Dhahran camp for school. My daughter is in kindergarten, which is only 2.5hrs, therefore if I ride the bus with them every morning (which I would feel more comfortable doing) then it would make more sense for me to stay at Dhahran camp. My questions regarding this are: A. Will I be permitted to ride bus daily? B. If we bought a vehicle, could we park it somewhere in Dhahran camp for me to get around while my kids are in school and take kids to activities after school? C. What is the traffic like on the highway that the bus would be traveling everyday to transport the kids to school? D. Are there more security risks?
Thank-you Vpainter for all your posts and information, it has been helpful! We hope everything works out and we look forward to a new adventure. I do like the idea of being part of a new community and hopefully being a part of the decisions and recommendations as to how the community will develop.
Any information you can provide about the above questions would be greatly appreciated! We could be moving our family over next month!!
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Post by vpainter on Aug 4, 2013 8:47:47 GMT
I have been told once in a meeting and once face to face with the Assistant To Executive Director of Community Services that Moms can ride the school bus. So I hope that is the case for you. As the community fills up and buses fill up, there will probably be a Mom bus monitor on every school bus just like there is in DHA on all the school buses.
If you had a car, your husband would be able to drive it to work, park it, and you ride the bus over and pick it up. You could probably even leave your car parked in one of the parking lots that is not monitored by time (some spots are for an hour or 30 mins). And all ride the bus each day and take your car home on the weekends or whatever you choose. Buses run from 6 am to 10 PM each day between Rakkah and DHA.
Traffic will depend on the time of day. It will be busy in the mornings with everyone going to work. Having rode the shopping buses over many years, they have never been in a major accident nor have there been any security issues that I know about or ever heard rumor of. I haven't heard any issues with the school buses who have been going to the British School and Dhahran High School for many years. There are buses that go to that campus when needed from all the compounds, and some have very long commutes.
Welcome to Aramco!
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Post by Baker2253 on Aug 4, 2013 14:19:18 GMT
Thanks so much for the info! One more quick question: As a female could I drive from the Aramco office ( if my husband was to drive and park the car for me to pick up) into DHA compound? I was under the understanding that females could not drive outside of the compound gates?!
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