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Post by ozziewildcat on Dec 14, 2013 22:52:16 GMT
Hi azraeil,
Is there any difference in benefits between Tiers in the Global Payroll? Do the Standard Overbase (%) in the Global Payroll changes based on nationality/country of origin?
Thanks,
ozziewildcat
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Post by azraeil on Dec 16, 2013 9:09:59 GMT
ozziewildcat,
Other than the differences in the Overbase percentage. Not that I know of.
As for your second question. Yes, the % for the Standar Overbase will depend on your country of citizenship. Permanent Residents (usually from Canada/Autralia etc etc) doesn't count. It has to be citizenships. If you are not a citizens of that particular country, you will not get the Tier 1 status.
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Post by azraeil on Dec 16, 2013 9:21:22 GMT
Buster,
There is no need to worry about the amount of currencies in the system because at the end of the day, all the currency processes are handled by the SAP system which once that is setup, needs no intervention from the end user. And since the Global Payroll has currency protection to the Home Country also implemented, it is still dealing with multiple currencies.
I know of 2 geologists (the main people the company is trying to attract) who have rejected the offer. One had his GBP offer revised to Global Payroll and in his exact word "I find it offensive that the company would come up with a revised offer that is lower than the previous one" ... so No, something is failing somewhere. My division is up in arms apparently because the base salary (and the revision) is under the purview of the business line (correct me if I am wrong) but the Overbase is under the purview of HR Planning, so we had approved for his base salary upward revision and was expcting him to come within the nect couple of months ... but alas ... as my Division Head would say ... another unit is making our life difficult.... we have made 25 offers for Geologists from Tier 3 countries and ALL have rejected the offers.
Again, at the end of the day, the company can implement whatever policies they like. It's their company.
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Post by Hero55 on Dec 16, 2013 16:26:53 GMT
Hi azerail, I am geologist still waiting for visa block. My current offer is under GBP. My nationality will be from tier 3 as per global payroll. I signed the offer last sep though I was not very happy but recruiter said we still have time to negotiate later. Now I plan to negotiate for salary increase, travel allowance and house base as my work place is dha and house is in far abq. Please advise me what should I do. The most important point for me is to get a place in either dha or worst case rakkah. Still wonder if will get lower offer similar to the person you know !!! Thanks very much
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Post by bsr2go on Dec 16, 2013 18:50:42 GMT
I have accepted Global tier 3 offer which is not great. I am also getting calls from other companies. If I get a better offer, should i try to negotiate with Armaco ( Aramco has clearly indicated that global payroll is based on nationality & it can not be changed ) or just Inform that I am not interested in Joining them . Will Aramco feel bad about it or it is not abnormal when people reject Aramco offer during BI/Medical/Visa phase. Will it be any negative effect on me joining other company in KSA or applying to KOC in future?
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Post by cgyguy on Dec 17, 2013 1:26:42 GMT
bsr2go,
Bsr2go, I think you may find very mixed responses, but I'll give you my personal opinion; 1. You may choose to use other offers as levee but if they don't budge you will have to make a decision on take it or leave it, which can affect the outcome. All salary codes have a range and you may try to move to the right in said range, unless you are very close to the next SC. 2. I've read that Aramco has a great deal of offers turned down and it is normal for them, there are cases that people have decided not to go even after a visa has been issued and stamped, so I wouldn't worry. 3. I'm not sure about joining another company in KSA but my guess is that it shouldn't be an issue.
Again, this is my opinion only. Good luck.
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Post by bsr2go on Dec 17, 2013 3:54:24 GMT
cgyguy, They have offered me GC14 . As per them Basic Pay etc. is top most possible under GC14 for International Payroll. I am getting hit because of my Tier 3 nationality. During salary negotiation stage , they increase my salary by 10% - now it looks like it is near to upper most range in GC band. As per my understanding GC-14 is maximum possible grade for Expats.I will evaluate the situation near to Visa Isuue & decide.
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Post by Hero55 on Dec 17, 2013 4:25:31 GMT
Hi bsr2go You made me worry that even my gbp offer is very low. They offer me gc 13. How can someone know if it is lower side. Can you share an approximate figure like below certain amount is poor. For me I am not very happy with the offer but I wonder if I am greedy or the really offer me poor salary
Thanks
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Post by azraeil on Dec 17, 2013 5:15:37 GMT
Hi Hero55,
There is a high likelyhood that if the business line agrees with your salary increase request, your offer will be revised to the Global Payroll on Tier 3 status (similar to what had happened to my friend). As I explained in the previous post, the GBP Payroll is now a legacy payroll and therefore, there is no more GBP Payroll to revised your offer to. The Global Payroll will give you the increase base salary but you will see a drastic decrease in the Standard Overbase. So your net pay that you get at the end of the month will be much lower than your current GBP offer.
As for getting a house in Dhahran, that will be unlikely and the business line has no control on housing. What my friend received however was a packet with a list of local compounds in Al-Khobar. I'd take Abqaiq Compound anytime as compared to the local compound in Al-Khobar. You will suffer a bit with regards to the daily commute but your family will probably appreciate you more if they live in an Aramco compound. Your best bet is to request for the Rakah compound.
Good Luck.
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Post by azraeil on Dec 17, 2013 5:20:23 GMT
bsr2go,
Aramco is a huge company, as I mentioned before, our recruitment is currently suffering due to the high percentage of offer rejections but I believe Aramco has accepted the fact that it is not easy to recruit high skilled personnel. The Oil & Gas industry is an extremely compeive industry especially for the subsurface personnel. I believe there won't be any negative effects with regards to your predicament.
Good Luck.
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Post by vpainter on Dec 17, 2013 23:46:13 GMT
Every position in Aramco is assigned a GC. Salary ranges within each GC do overlap with other GC's.
Everyone must decide for themselves if their offer is good for them and their family. No one else can make that decision for you or tell you if the offer is a good one.
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Post by Hero55 on Dec 18, 2013 4:05:48 GMT
Hi VP, you always give the right and diplomatic answer thanks very much.
I think people want to know if you got good offer or not. The main problem for me is that ARAMCO offer you based on you current salary not based on your skills and qualifications. So that mean the highly skilled person with lower negotiation skills may end up having very low salary whereas the normal person with strong negotiation skills or if by chance he is well paid or in expensive country will get higher salary cuz he already has higher salary before joining aramco.
I think ARAMCO need to offer based on person value not current salary, otherwise someone who failed to get good salary with his current employer will suffer forever.
Thanks very much
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Post by vpainter on Dec 18, 2013 18:54:42 GMT
I understand what you are saying. But unfortunately, it is not based on experience and at times is not negotiable. Then no matter what the salary, it may be a good offer for a person, no matter what anyone else makes. Salaries increase every year with good performance reviews, GC upgrades are also possible, not guaranteed. So each person has to decide if what is being offered is good for them. No one else can tell a person that, what is good for one person may not be good for another and vise versa.
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Post by Jolomi on Dec 29, 2013 4:22:21 GMT
So with the new global payroll, where does U.S fall into? Please I need some response.
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Post by Quanta on Dec 29, 2013 4:26:38 GMT
US Payrolls stays same.
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