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Post by Smithsonian on Feb 27, 2012 18:41:07 GMT
I am in the process of being offered a position in R&D. Can anyone tell me the difference between a Specialist, Consultant and a Scientist?
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Post by Quanta on Feb 29, 2012 6:52:17 GMT
Smithsonian,
The difference is grade code.
Specialist : GC15
Consultant : GC16
Scientist or Engineer : Below GC14
There will be a slight package difference between GC11-14 and GC15 above.
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Post by Smithsonian on Mar 2, 2012 15:25:50 GMT
Thanks for you response Quanta perhaps you can provide more clarification for me.
I interviewed for a consultant position however I received the job offer letter which states that I am being hired as a Sr. Lab Scientist. I contacted HR who informed me that, It is confusing because Aramco still applies a standard job le across the entire company to go with each grade code. I was informed not to worry as I was being hired as a (high grade code) scientist but the role would still be a .... consultant. She further stated that this applies across all of R&DC. Aramco can have other high grade code Senior Lab Scientists but their role may be Fuel Formulation Chemist, for example. Same official Aramco job le but different roles.
I am reluctant to accept the offer with the le of a Sr. Lab Scientist as this is not the tile I applied for. Upon reviewing the offer the GC level (14) is lower than that that of a consultant (16). I have a Phd and 20 years experience and feel my credentials are more in-line with the role and grade code of a consultant and not the the le of a Sr. Lab Scientist. Quanta and anyone else please chime in on this!!!
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Post by Quanta on Mar 3, 2012 5:34:13 GMT
Smithsonian,
HR is correct about "the identical le with different role". Since Aramco's GC offer is heavily based on the salary they offer, it won't be easy to get GC 16 if the salary Aramco offer is in the range of GC14. You can always counter offer, though. I cannot tell you too much about the proper GC with your degree and experience, because it is different for each department. One of my friends who is in research division holds master's degree with close to 30 years of experience is GC 13. I can tell he is not quite happy with his GC, though.
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Post by GroveWanderer on Mar 3, 2012 7:32:40 GMT
One thing to bear in mind is that Depts cannot just offer a prospective new hire whatever job le or GC they please. Each Dept has a fixed number of job slots in various different grade codes. If they do not have a vacant GC 16 job slot, they cannot offer someone GC 16. New job slots can be created but normally this has to be done as part of a 5-year manpower plan which is only updated once a year.
Anything can be over-ridden with a high enough level of approval but in my experience it would be somewhat unusual for an "emergency" new job slot to be created on short notice for a new hire.
The other thing I would say is not to get too hung up on the job le and the same is true (although to a lesser extent) for GC. Quite a lot of people end up doing jobs which are totally different to what their job le would suggest.
As regards GC, getting hired at a higher GC is usually better, but not necessarily. It would be possible to be hired as a GC14, for example and be getting paid more than some GC15's since the salary ranges overlap. I would be surprised if a GC14 could be hired at higher than the minimum for a GC16 however.
The question I would ask is whether the salary they are offering is satisfactory to you. Job le and to some extent, GC are fairly arbitrary distinctions in many ways.
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Post by CanPeng on Sept 25, 2012 0:17:32 GMT
Hi Smithonian,
I found my self recently in the same situation as you were, I'm wondering how did things turn out for you regarding the job les, I applied for a specialist position " the word Specialist was included in the le" the job offer I got was for Engineer 1 position, and the original le not mentioned anywhere in the offer, when I objected to that I was told that the job le im being offered is still what I originally applied for, but the job offer if for Engineer 1 position and that can't change, at least this is what I understood. If you or anyone else can advice on job les I would appreciate it. I can't understand how the le can be for Specilaist and the position mentioned in the contract is Engineer1, and I don't understand how the full le is not included in the offer.
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Post by gareth0127 on Sept 26, 2012 16:19:49 GMT
A grade code salary scale I saw in work before showed the different grade code salaries overlap greatly. I noticed that a GC11 at the top of the pay band could be paid more than a GC14 at a the bottom of that band.
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Post by CanPeng on Sept 26, 2012 22:10:16 GMT
Hi Gareth,
I now understand whats involved in the overlap in pay scale, le should also matter, is it possible that ones job le ( what would appear on business card for example) to have a word from a grade higher than what's in the contract?. For example the le you get to includes the word specialist while the position in the contract is Engineer 1? Also shouldn't the contract include the full job le as in the job posting you apply for or just the Position as in the grade system, Engineer 1, 2 etc.?
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Post by gareth0127 on Oct 1, 2012 13:39:14 GMT
hi canpeng,
im not sure I can answer your question really but I think you might be getting too hung up on this whole job le issue. Regardless what le they hire you under you will still be doing the actual tasks they want you to do. It might be v important to you for personal reasons what your job le is but the bottom line for me is what job will I actually be doing and how much are you going to pay me?
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