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Post by sajman on Feb 6, 2023 3:19:32 GMT
Hi again,
I know there were some threads asking about if employees' spouses may work remotely.
My wife is not employed anywhere, but she is a photographer and would like to see whether she will be able to work as a photographer sometimes.
Like a self employed, not consistent type of job (I'm not even sure she will get any clients there).
Obviously that would not require her to change the sponsorship, etc. as it is an inconsistent type of self employment.
I would guess its like writing and publishing a book or painting and then selling drawings. Is this type of work also kind of questionable?
I just couldn't find anywhere in the contract that says that spouses can not engage in such self employed type of work.
Another question is regarding driving for my wife - I saw somewhere in the contract (or something) that spouses can drive inside the camp, but not outside the camp? Is that true?
Thanks
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Post by tamsin on Feb 6, 2023 3:42:01 GMT
Questionable? Yes. This is not something you do indiscreetly. But it’s not unknown for people to work remotely or sell digital content such as photographs online, as long as any payment is out of kingdom. And there are many that operate a cash only home business such as nails, baking etc.
we can drive off camp, many do. Your wife will need a licence to drive on or off camp, you get 3 months to convert it.
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Post by sajman on Feb 6, 2023 3:49:28 GMT
Thanks Tamsin,
I would understand it if spouses are then sponsored by another company and thus violate something in terms of dependents sponsorship, etc., but how does that self employment type of work, like baking or private language lessons would violate the terms of contract? I don't find it anywhere in terms of reference of employment contract?
In order for it to be questionable or illegal - I guess it has to be stated somewhere in written?
You also mentioned that it is questionable - but then if people know about others baking and doing nails, etc. that means that stuff is kind of advertised and is known, would it be possible for someone to report to aramco about them? And then what would happen if again, nothing is violated, and the spouse is just doing inconsistent self employment type of work when kids are in school.
I am not trying to create new rules and I respect the current guidelines, I am just trying to understand everything from the legal point of view so I know what to do in case if my wife advertise her services.
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Post by tamsin on Feb 6, 2023 4:18:28 GMT
The dependent iqama states not eligible for work, that means (like almost every country that has a dependent visa) that we cannot work. Word of mouth is how things are advertised. You have to bear in mind, the company is your sponsor so will take a dim view of your sponsee breaking the rules. I’d really not be advertising.
We’ve been overseas for 20 years, I’ve yet to find a country that allows the spouse to work, easily. It’s part of the lifestyle and one of the sacrifices that have to be made, not a lifestyle for everyone.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2023 4:52:18 GMT
Thanks Tamsin, I would understand it if spouses are then sponsored by another company and thus violate something in terms of dependents sponsorship, etc., but how does that self employment type of work, like baking or private language lessons would violate the terms of contract? I don't find it anywhere in terms of reference of employment contract?
Not in the contract, but in a subsequent form you must sign as part of onboarding that speaks about Saudi customs and rules etc. Not worth the risk, it could be used against you as as reason not to pay severance as/when you eventually get laid off.
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Post by StarboyX on Feb 27, 2023 21:30:32 GMT
There are "dependent" positions posted within KSA, and when it comes down it, if you're wife finds a job outside Aramco/JHAH, the iqama would have to be transferred by the new sponsor.
I have colleagues who's wives have been working for several years, as they their wives also have Saudi license and their car.
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Post by alecamlot on Mar 17, 2023 20:58:18 GMT
Hi tamsin, can wifed drive outside the camp during the initial 90 day timeframe using their own country drivers license until they obtain the KSA one? |
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Post by tamsin on Mar 18, 2023 6:20:13 GMT
Hi tamsin , can wifed drive outside the camp during the initial 90 day timeframe using their own country drivers license until they obtain the KSA one? I do not believe there are any differences between male and female licences now. Your wife will be able to convert hers just as easily as you can, providing it’s a country on the approved list. So, yes. For outside and on camp, after 90 days you aren’t insured. But, I believe, once you have an iqama you have to have a Saudi licence to drive. So you need to be very proactive in getting that. |
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