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Post by sunnyboy on Jul 30, 2019 15:41:31 GMT
Hi
I have accepted an offer and will move to Dharhan in October 2019. I'm struggling to get specific information from the Relocation Adviser regarding what exchange rate is used to pay my salary into a GBP account. Is it the spot/bank rate on the day prior to payroll date or is an avee rate decided by the Company? Any help would be appreciated to understand how close the payroll FX rate is to the spot/bank rate.
Also, given the weakness (and volatility) of Sterling at the moment I'm hoping to hedge by taking out a forward contract, which means I need to take the salary in USD. However, my initial review of UK banks is that they don't offer USD accounts for expats unless I intend to keep a sizeable balance with them or they won't offer accounts where the funds are coming from Saudi. Does anyone have any experience or suggestions of how to get a USD bank account in the UK? Also, is it worth using the international banks in Saudi (e.g. HSBC) to open a USD account and have the bulk of my salary paid in to this? Also, do people use Revolut or Transferwise accounts for USD salary to be paid in to?
Finally, as a single person coming to SA what should I budget for monthly spend in SAR? I expect to take regular short trips to Turkey, Lebanon, other GCC countries and travel internally in SA - but beyond food and transport I doubt I'll be buying much other than what is needed for the apartment. Also, I doubt I will buy a car - instead rent when I need one.
Apologies for the dull questions, but I'm keen to get a sense of typical day-to-day spend out there and how much I should keep in a SAR bank account.
Many thanks!
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swan
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Post by swan on Jul 31, 2019 7:36:33 GMT
I think the procedure for salary currencies has changed since we joined, but we were offered in USD (and SAR is tied to USD). We split the salary, and put some into a local account, and aramco sent the rest to our UK account. Think the rate was whatever the exchange was at the start of the month.
If you are interested in an HSBC international account, set it up now. It cant be done from KSA and takes time. I know several people operating with SAAB and A$ accounts from KSA.
Cant help with the amounts you will need - we were a family, and the only accomadation available when we arrived was via rental assistance, so a very different set up.
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Post by sunnyboy on Jul 31, 2019 15:16:05 GMT
Many thanks for the helpful information. Will speak to HSBC in London to check on the international account - their website doesn't allow for online applications when Saudi is listed as the location where funds are remitted from.
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Post by StarboyX on Jul 31, 2019 17:16:11 GMT
Sabb is the Saudi subsidiary of HSBC. You can have accounts in multiple currencies, including USD, GDP ads and Euro. The Saudi riyal is pegged 3.75 to 1 USD.
The real benefit is if you have hsbc premier in any country, you will get it here and vice versa.
I know alot of expats from the UK and EU, almost everyone is getting paid in USD
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Post by sunnyboy on Aug 1, 2019 15:40:46 GMT
Many thanks - really helpful.
Regards
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Post by trebbie on Aug 14, 2019 13:06:45 GMT
Hi sunnyboy!
Congrats on your offer and best of luck with the move in October.
The rate used is the spot rate (in my experience very very close to spot - so much so that it is within the daily fluctuation so hard to tell if there is any spread in there) at the _Start Of The Month_ you will be paid. Note not the spot rate on the day before. There is clearly a currency play to be had given this situation.
My set up is that I am paid part of my salary as a fixed amount of sterling every month direct into a sterling account (to cover my UK expenses - no point in any funny business with this as it all goes out of the door pretty quickly). The rest is paid into a local SAR account. This is effectively the same as being paid in USD due to the fixed SAR USD rate of 3.75. I have opened a local USD account which I transfer money to if I want to take advantage of low rates and transfer more into Sterling. The transfer from SAR to USD was at 3.74999 by my local bank. I have a relationship with a currency exchanger who offers preferential rates (compared to high street banks) - generally the spread is about half a cent. I've used banks before and been hit with 2.5 cents which I was very peeved about...
You need to consider what currency you need your savings in long term and how much risk you are willing to take on the future currency movements. Note that the forward contract you mention is still taking a risk as the rate may improve from what your forward rate is and you will lose out. Yes I understand that you may well want the certainty of the rate. Hedging by taking out a forward contract is something that I am considering doing given the current historic weakness of sterling. Place your bets on how much lower it may go between now and October 31 or later!! Perhaps all will become clear in the UK re Brexit and sterling will go back to say around 1.4 vs USD...
To help you with the forward rates, I've been quoted 0.25 cents per month on the rate for GBP USD.
I know of others that have opened accounts in say Switzerland where there is the option to transfer amounts between several currencies immediately hoping to gain on exchange rate movements.
In terms of your budget that is a really difficult question as others have mentioned. How extravagant are you!? Some points of note though:
> I've found food significantly more expensive than in the UK. Not surprising given how much has to be imported. The group I spend time with eat out a fair amount which is probably a bit cheaper than the UK but I do it much more often. > Short trips sound great - you may find you are restricted to weekends only doing this. > If you want to economise on the apartment you can do by simply using only the Aramco provided stuff. Many do replace though - there is a good second hand market for furnishings. > In my view your life is dramatically improved by having a car even if you only intend to stay on camp much of the time. Taxis on camp are really very poor and unreliable. Buses do exist but operate mainly for work travel. How will you get from the supermarket to home? Do you want the flexibility of travelling off camp to larger supermarkets or other shops as and when you want to? It is entirely possible to do it through camp provided transport but it is limiting. The summer is dire for standing about waiting for a bus...
Not at all dull question that one - very sensible, just hard to answer. Budget for what you would spend in the UK on food and add say 40% as it is more expensive (very finger in the air calculation that one). Note that your general outgoings on other things are significantly lower (and sometimes nil).
Best of luck with it all!
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Post by sunnyboy on Aug 17, 2019 13:35:22 GMT
Many thanks Trebbie, that's extremely helpful. Let's see where the GBP:USD rate goes by the time I come out to Dhahran!!
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