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Post by stoertebecker on Oct 21, 2018 9:45:20 GMT
Hi all,
I have received an offer for an HQ role in Dhahran, CG 14 with family status. All together it does look fine compared to compensation packages in my home country (Germany) and I would be ready to accept. But as I do not know Aramco's practices, one question to the experts here: is Aramco immediately offering a fair package (in relation to other Aramco candidates and people being already on board)? Or do they leave themselves room for negotiations?
I do not need to negotiate as I would be happy with the amounts I have seen in the offer letter. On the other hand, I do not want to learn that I should just have asked for more once I am over.
Philosophies here are different and some companies offer immediately what they are willing to pay (and negotiating doesn't bring any gains) whilst others price in that there are always negotiations and if you don't do that it is to their benefit. And as this uncertainty out of candidate's shoes apply globally, I am not yet familiar with Saudi business conduct.
Many thanks in advance for your reply. I have searched the forum and have found some answers, but not explicitly that clear as I am looking for.
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Post by steve8411 on Oct 21, 2018 23:31:36 GMT
there has been some success for few who have tried negotiating but what i have heard is that aramco requests paystubs in order to put together a fair market offer. Aramco can either say no, rescind the offer or increase it. so better to play your cards carefully. if you think there is some wiggle room or your current pay is more than what js being offered, its a judgment call for a counteroffer.
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Post by stoertebecker on Oct 22, 2018 19:48:52 GMT
there has been some success for few who have tried negotiating but what i have heard is that aramco requests paystubs in order to put together a fair market offer. Aramco can either say no, rescind the offer or increase it. so better to play your cards carefully. if you think there is some wiggle room or your current pay is more than what js being offered, its a judgment call for a counteroffer. Thanks a lot, Steve8411. Very helpful. For me no need to negotiate as mentioned. And yes, they have asked me for payslips and other documents, so seems that Aramco has a formula applied on current earnings. Did decide to accept today and look forward to exploring new shores. |
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Post by trebbie on Oct 22, 2018 21:20:56 GMT
Hi stoertebecker
Congratulations on making the decision to move. Never an easy one.
Another point to add to the above is that your journey has only just begun as (I am sure you will have noticed if you have been surfing these pages) there are many processes that you have to undergo in order for the final offer to be one that you can act upon. Your recruiter should have told you not to resign until all checks have been made and they are ready for you to hand in your notice. Medical checks, attestation of degrees, obtaining a residence visa and several other aspects will take time to complete (and it doesn't sound like you have yet done these).
Best of luck with the process, in my case these processes were relatively quick but in some others' cases they have not been as prompt or straight forward.
Hope to meet you at some point in HO in the near future!
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Post by stoertebecker on Oct 25, 2018 22:19:34 GMT
Hi trebbie,
Thanks a lot for your response. In the meantime I had some nights to sleep over my decision and it feels pretty good. Look forward to join as soon as it possible but I have no problems to wait until all processes have been closed out. As I have always been honest I do not worry about background checks or medical tests as they will only confirm what Inhave told before.
Warning signs have been many in the offer letter as well as in all other mails - do not resign before we tell you. If one should not follow that advice, that‘s tough luck but not Aramco‘s failure. And you are right, I am not yet through the process. They have tried to begin earlier but my university did reject to share any information without signed offer letter. But let it be ...
Would love to meet you over there - probably early 2019.
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Post by steve8411 on Dec 5, 2018 21:52:50 GMT
Hi Stoertbecker,
Did you finally receive your final clearance or are you still in the process. I head that it makes a difference if you join Dec 31 or January 1.
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Post by stoertebecker on Dec 8, 2018 23:55:05 GMT
Hi Stoertbecker, Did you finally receive your final clearance or are you still in the process. I head that it makes a difference if you join Dec 31 or January 1. Hi steve8411, still waiting for clearance. Two of my former employers have been slow in responding during the background check but last week they both did. I think it should be a matter of a few days, then apply for visa (all documents are now prepared which was a journey for itself). Actually, I do believe more in January than in December. But interesting that you mention the difference regarding the joining date. Do you (or anybody else) know why? Interestingly, my recruiter has mentioned that several weeks ago. I thought she was politely pushing me to close out hiring still in 2018 but I haven‘t ask her and she did not mention any detail. I did not ask as I did not believe that it might be important. Neither offer letter nor contract mention anything in this regard. Would be great to understand this better. |
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Post by steve8411 on Dec 9, 2018 12:41:48 GMT
yes there is a difference b/w joining on dec 31 and January 1st.
its related to the repatriation vacation.
the person hired (say employee alpha) on dec 31st will get be eligible to get two repatriation payments within 16 months where as the person hired on January 1 will get the the two repatriation payments in 22 months. by then employee alpha will be eligible for the third repatriation payment. its a little confusing but your recruiter can give you more details. being in Christmas season, its going to be a real push if u are to make it before dec 31.
good luck!
Steve
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Post by ramvijay on Dec 15, 2019 5:24:25 GMT
Hi there. I am from South Africa. I turn 50 in January 2020. I'm a qualified teacher of 12 years. Pse correct me if I'm wrong. I am under the impression that if u live in any compound in the uae as well as KSA you live rent free and don't pay for utilities. Also I would like to apply to teach in KSA or uae. So if u sign a 3 year contract are there options to renew the contract or are u forced to resign? Also currently with Saudisation and Emritisation what are the chances for expats? Thank u in advance
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Post by ramvijay on Dec 15, 2019 18:51:02 GMT
Hi there. I am from South Africa. I turn 50 in January 2020. I'm a qualified teacher of 12 years. Pse correct me if I'm wrong. I am under the impression that if u live in any compound in the uae as well as KSA you live rent free and don't pay for utilities. Also I would like to apply to teach in KSA or uae. So if u sign a 3 year contract are there options to renew the contract or are u forced to resign? Also currently with Saudisation and Emritisation what are the chances for expats? Thank u in advance |
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Post by raulo on Mar 4, 2020 9:39:55 GMT
From experience, it’s best to negotiate with Middle East Oil Companies, atleast 5% more can be expected.
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Post by candidate638 on Mar 4, 2020 20:57:44 GMT
Ramvojay, Aramco charged a nominal fees for the rent that includes utilities.
Permanent Contracts are ongoing but if you get a contract position then normally it’s renewable
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