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Post by kcpsp on Mar 8, 2016 14:55:45 GMT
o Everyone, I have an Interview coming up with reps from HAKA for an Aramco position, I'm aware the contractor conditions are very different, but wanted to know, in case the interview was successful, what to expect in terms of salary " multiplier on current pay?" what kind of leave policy, tickets , health insurance , kids schooling should I expect or is typically given to employees of this particular contractor, I'm a US citizen if that makes any difference,
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Post by james_unlimited on Mar 15, 2016 6:02:09 GMT
kcpsp,
There are so many factors that affect your pay.... nationality, education, membership of chartered bodies, experience, and something called an X factor (what special skills do you bring to the table)
Its been a long time since i negotiated my offer, and i know that they are low balling people currently (taking advantage of the low oil prices)
a friend who left aramco was at the interviews and they were offering a of a lot less than what he got when he first came out.
make sure you get holidays, there is talks about them cutting the holidays to 21 days per year and one paid flight!! in comparison to my 42days paid leave and 3 paid flights a year!
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Post by kcpsp on Mar 15, 2016 12:37:20 GMT
james_unlimited,
o James, I'm aware of theses facts, I honestly don't view this to bear any fruits, I interviewed for what seemed to be direct hire a couple of years ago and the interview didn't go very well and hence I was not offered a job, now I was contacted by this contractor for an interview and I thought I should give it a shot.
I'm a US citizen of middle eastern origins, have both ME & US education, Certificates and +10 years of experience. I'm in the engineering/ project management field and even though only knows how the interview will go, but from what I'm seeing I'm not very hopeful. as I make about
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Post by james_unlimited on Mar 16, 2016 4:12:30 GMT
don't expect it to be too hard, mine was the shortest interview of my life. Then 2 months later I get a call about an interview for direct hire... the phone went dead when i said i was a SMP...
be careful who you sell your soul to when you sign the dotted line.
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Post by james_unlimited on Mar 16, 2016 4:17:48 GMT
Which are you an engineer or a PM... As thats the main problem out here, we have engineers with too much confidence destroying projects pretending to be PM's and then expecting expats to magically make the project run smoothly.
An engineer should never be allowed to become a PM due to their logical thought processes which are too rigid to deal with commercial and political factors.
apologies, but i see it all too often, I currently go from project to project cleaning up after these engineer PM's who all cause similar problems..
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Post by kcpsp on Mar 16, 2016 13:13:22 GMT
James, that was funny but true to some degree imho.
I'm an engineer by training / education, I did 5 years or so of engineering before switching to a project management discipline,in EPC business, so I'm not an Engineer who turned into a PM, which I agree can very well be a disastrous situation, but I picked an Operation Research application in project management and I specialized in, pursued knowledge and certification and have been doing that for quite a while now.
I know exactly what you are talking about , I think the problem with engineers who spent all their lives in the engineering office, designing and worrying about code and all that jazz, is that they became so much detail oriented that they fail to see the big picture, and it is what they learn from their senior engineers, I was always told that a planner or a cost engineer are just decor and that they don't have real value other than to hender the job progression and make colorful reports, I suffered that syndrome during my engineering time and experienced first hand what I think you are talking about, as I moved to what i consider a higher ground in projects, where one can see the whole picture as it fits within the quality, time and cost boundary lines , I could see the bigger picture and I'm on the path to learn more..
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Post by kcpsp on Mar 16, 2016 13:23:46 GMT
Great Tip, thank you, so once I sign the SMP offer, there is no going back? eventhough it takes em like a year or so to get things in order?
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Post by james_unlimited on Mar 16, 2016 18:37:56 GMT
"kcpsp,
Not really if your single then your going to make money as an SMP... if you bring family then your probably not going to enjoy your time here or make a lot of money (lots of hidden costs), (especially if you are sent to a remote location, where you can only leave when you have vacation.... which by the looks of the newer contracts is 21days a year :!:
no nipping home for the weekend with the family... unless you're direct hire, those guys only work effectively a 4 day week....
when you sign a SMP contract you are closing the door to direct hire for a few years and have to go through conversion process...
I've noticed the past year or so the quality of expat Aramcons has deteriorated a of a lot! The older guys agree and thats from both sides(smp/Aramconed) its also funny how many "Canadians/Americans" from india/Pakistan etc don't fully understand the english language or its use... but they have the passports and somehow got hired...
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Post by kcpsp on Mar 16, 2016 21:31:09 GMT
didn't get what you meant...
I have a family though, and I hope the offer is going to be worth it to leave my current stable job and life in the US
I see what you're saying about those guys, I'm from a middle eastern origin as I mentioned before, so English is not my native language which some native speakers might notice but so far I haven't had any problems " I'm currently working in a remote area down the TN river and haven't got shot yet"
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Post by species on Mar 20, 2022 19:13:04 GMT
o everyone. I stumbled into this forum while looking for information regarding Haka. Will be interviewing with them next week in London, for an SMP position in Process Engineering. Can anyone give insights on what a good base salary should be, to support my negotiations. Also are there people who are presently on this contract who can share their experiences experience of working for Haka at Aramco.
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Post by species on Mar 20, 2022 19:14:08 GMT
o everyone. I stumbled into this forum while looking for information regarding Haka. Will be interviewing with them next week in London, for an SMP position in Process Engineering. Can anyone give insights on what a good base salary should be, to support my negotiations. Also are there people who are presently on this contract who can share their experiences experience of working for Haka at Aramco.
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