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Post by teeboy12 on Aug 30, 2015 13:18:42 GMT
o,
I have read somewhere in this forum that there are 3 tiers professionally in Aramco:
GC11- 14 (PE IV, PE III, PE II, PE I)
GC15-17 (PE Specialist, PE Consultant and PE Senior Consultant),
GC18-20 (Principle PE)
I have also read that it takes avee of 3 years to move from one GC level to another.
My question is: how is promotion from one GC level to another related to promotion from say: PE II to PE I? If someone was on, say PE II and GC14 and is then promoted to GC 15, will he be promoted to a Specialist role, or must he be promoted first from PE II to PE I before being considered for promotion to GC 15 in the future?
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Post by bogiefrommuskogee on Aug 30, 2015 14:11:09 GMT
I don't really understand the question. PE II is not GC 14. I think it would be very unusual to skip a GC. Promotion frequency depends where you work. Production Engineering seems to go faster than Petroleum Engineering. I have no idea about Drilling. Also getting past GC 17 is a lot harder these days.
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Post by teeboy12 on Aug 30, 2015 14:22:01 GMT
sorry for the confusing question.
Let me try again: If you were GC 14 & PE I. Can you be promoted to GC 15 and still remain PE I or it is a rule that once you are promoted to GC 15 you are automatically promoted to PE Specialist at the same time?
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Post by UmmRiyam on Aug 30, 2015 15:00:43 GMT
Usually being promoted to a new grade code will come with a job le change...your duties may not change at all.
3 years is very fast to be promoted...and 3 years is typically the earliest that one can be nominated for a promotion. And some people will stay many years at the same grade code. Going from grade 14 to grade 15 is really difficult, especially if you're not standing out in some way. You have to really work for that promotion.
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Post by vpainter on Aug 30, 2015 15:41:28 GMT
All les have a GC assigned to them. So if you get a new le, if it has a different GC assigned to it, you would also get that GC. Or you could change les that are all the same Gc and not get a GC increase. GC promotions are not guaranteed and no one is assured one.
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Post by GroveWanderer on Oct 12, 2015 13:39:25 GMT
teeboy12,
No, you cannot be promoted to GC 15 and remain as a PE I (assuming that PE I is a GC 14 position, which I think it is). Each job le corresponds to a specific grade code. But PE Specialist is not the only job le that carries a GC 15. So you could be promoted to GC 15 and have some other job le, depending which job les and positions your dept has available.
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Post by bogiefrommuskogee on Oct 12, 2015 16:03:01 GMT
Going from GC 14 to GC 15 might actually end up in less pay. If the job requires many days in the field with OT, the GC 15 is worth less overall. GC 15 actually loses money because no OT above GC 14. Strange but true. Other than that, GC 15 has a few (very few) more perks but the OT is probably more attractive in the short term and I mean short. We are talking about 5 - 6 years. On the other hand, the bump in GC will get you 20 extra housing points. There are people I work with how actually worked hard not to get a promotion so they could keep the OT. The one advantage of getting a promotion earlier is that the 5% will boost the compounding on all future merit increases.
GC 11 = PE IV
GC 12 = PE III
GC 13 = PE II
GC 14 = PE I
GC 15 = PE Specialist
GC 16 = PE Consultant
GC 17 = Sr PE Consultant
GC 18 = Principal PE Consultant
Other business lines have similar naming convention such as Contract Rep X, Business Systems yst X, Accounting Staff X, Drilling Engineer X, etc.
There is a lot of overlap in pay grades so you could find a salary number in four different pay grades. A GC 12 on the high end of the range can make more than a GC 15 on the low end. Being on the high end is not advantageous, however, as the merit increase would be less than on the low end. With regard to the SAIP, the higher code, the better.
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Post by bamaster on Oct 13, 2015 19:16:10 GMT
I'm not in Engineering but I agree that a promotion in 3 years is unusual. Even Saudis normally have a 4 year cycle for promotions. For expats, performance is very important. Especially getting top rating in annual performance reviews.
Don't take fast promotions as a given. And try not to get too caught up in the GC thing.
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Post by bogiefrommuskogee on Oct 14, 2015 3:04:57 GMT
I think I said it before but where I am in Upstream, the guideline is minimum 5 years and only with E+ or better ratings. Unfortunately due to forced ranking, expats don't usually fair extremely well in the PMP ratings so E+'s, for an expat, are few and far between. However that is only a guideline. It might be possible to be promoted sooner but that would be the exception rather than the rule. We don't really pay much attention to peoples' promotions here. You only notice when you see their job le change in Outlook. I can name a handful of people that have been in the same GC for 15 years or longer. I knew a guy who was GC14 for 18 years before he finally retired. I have heard that promotions go faster in Producing but have no direct experience with it. If someone in your management chain has any issue with you, promotion is not likely.
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Post by yamaaan on Apr 26, 2017 22:15:46 GMT
Is the Grade Code system more of an art than a science? Can more light be shed?
If I'm on a GC12 in Finance, what does that mean? Is it a managerial, assistant manager or yst for a Finance/IT role?
I accepted the offer (though not on the pay I was expecting/hoping) on the basis I could show my metal and be promoted within a *reasonable* period of time but that now appears to be around 3 years at leaset from these discussions.
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Post by vpainter on May 5, 2017 17:37:27 GMT
Saudis are managers and supervisors. GC promotions are not guaranteed.
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