tamsin
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Post by tamsin on Apr 4, 2023 4:48:59 GMT
Some women do have jobs, on and off camp. The company does not care, as far as I know, as long as the work is legal and not under the table, people do change their iqama but it would not change your family status. The reason most don’t work is because of the limited options available to expats. You see a lot of women in scrubs on the camp, and I believe it would also make you eligible for the daycare, if you have kids. Tamsin, Do you know how some women are able to pursue professional jobs while maintaining family status? Other forum members have written that if spouse accepts a professional job, she will need her own iqama (as opposed to dependent iqama). This triggers the loss of family status (camp housing, EAP etc) with Aramco. I am just not following the two divergent opinions on this topic. I do not know, there must be some loophole. Maybe JHAH doesn’t count? I know a couple of men who were/are contractors here that live with their wives on family status. I think a lot of it is like the helper/nanny thing. We cannot hireunless under particular circumstances, but again, loads of people do. |
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newbee
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Post by newbee on Apr 17, 2023 22:39:31 GMT
Tamsin, Thank you. This answers my question and is a great relief. At times of skill shortage globally, barring spouses from participating in gainful employment would have no logic. If there is an Aramco expat in this forum who has a physician spouse, I would love to hear about the experience. Hey - I have received an offer to join Aramco and my wife is a family medicine physician (GP as we call them in the UK). She is now looking at opportunities in Dhahran / Dammam but it seems there are not many tbh. How did you wife get to a conclusion that getting a physician job there will not be a problem? Any piece of advice for my wife as she has looked on JHAH and some other portals but no hiring seems to be ongoing. |
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Post by RedBlueWhite on Apr 20, 2023 21:42:03 GMT
Tamsin, Thank you. This answers my question and is a great relief. At times of skill shortage globally, barring spouses from participating in gainful employment would have no logic. If there is an Aramco expat in this forum who has a physician spouse, I would love to hear about the experience. Hey - I have received an offer to join Aramco and my wife is a family medicine physician (GP as we call them in the UK). She is now looking at opportunities in Dhahran / Dammam but it seems there are not many tbh. How did you wife get to a conclusion that getting a physician job there will not be a problem? Any piece of advice for my wife as she has looked on JHAH and some other portals but no hiring seems to be ongoing. Our confidence was based on a conversation with a medical recruiter. We also saw an old job posting for my wife's subspecialty. However, since we have not applied or got an offer for her, we are not sure. We were advised that there are plenty of jobs for American board certified physicians and specialists, but aren't sure for other situations. Perhaps someone on the ground there can opine better. |
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newbee
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Post by newbee on Apr 21, 2023 0:11:28 GMT
Hey - I have received an offer to join Aramco and my wife is a family medicine physician (GP as we call them in the UK). She is now looking at opportunities in Dhahran / Dammam but it seems there are not many tbh. How did you wife get to a conclusion that getting a physician job there will not be a problem? Any piece of advice for my wife as she has looked on JHAH and some other portals but no hiring seems to be ongoing. Our confidence was based on a conversation with a medical recruiter. We also saw an old job posting for my wife's subspecialty. However, since we have not applied or got an offer for her, we are not sure. We were advised that there are plenty of jobs for American board certified physicians and specialists, but aren't sure for other situations. Perhaps someone on the ground there can opine better. Got it. Yeah I will be careful with these over promises that recruiters make. Not saying it is not achievable but my wife has been speaking to some of these recruiters and they pretend that it should be very easy (she is UK qualified) and that they know which hospital is hiring for the specific position etc., but when it actually comes to the process and specific roles, they recruiters become wishy washy and just share the profile with these hospitals and then are at the mercy of those hospitals coming back to them 3-4months down the line if there is any interest. I know everything in the Kingdom is slow and takes time (even when I look at my offer from interview to getting the paperwork), but we don't get the feel that the recruiters are properly mandated by the hospitals to recruit for a specific position as you would expect. They seem to be just throwing CVs to the hospital blackbox and then just waiting... |
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Post by RedBlueWhite on May 8, 2023 22:43:56 GMT
Our confidence was based on a conversation with a medical recruiter. We also saw an old job posting for my wife's subspecialty. However, since we have not applied or got an offer for her, we are not sure. We were advised that there are plenty of jobs for American board certified physicians and specialists, but aren't sure for other situations. Perhaps someone on the ground there can opine better. Got it. Yeah I will be careful with these over promises that recruiters make. Not saying it is not achievable but my wife has been speaking to some of these recruiters and they pretend that it should be very easy (she is UK qualified) and that they know which hospital is hiring for the specific position etc., but when it actually comes to the process and specific roles, they recruiters become wishy washy and just share the profile with these hospitals and then are at the mercy of those hospitals coming back to them 3-4months down the line if there is any interest. I know everything in the Kingdom is slow and takes time (even when I look at my offer from interview to getting the paperwork), but we don't get the feel that the recruiters are properly mandated by the hospitals to recruit for a specific position as you would expect. They seem to be just throwing CVs to the hospital blackbox and then just waiting... Did you get any more clarity or confidence boost on physician opportunities at JHAH or elsewhere? I noticed that there are very few U.S. licensed physicians at JHAH. I am not sure whether this is due to the lack of preference on part of U.S. physicians or of JHAH, but certainly there are few U.S. doctors at JHAH. Love to hear the experience of any physician spouses. |
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newbee
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Post by newbee on May 10, 2023 18:50:09 GMT
Got it. Yeah I will be careful with these over promises that recruiters make. Not saying it is not achievable but my wife has been speaking to some of these recruiters and they pretend that it should be very easy (she is UK qualified) and that they know which hospital is hiring for the specific position etc., but when it actually comes to the process and specific roles, they recruiters become wishy washy and just share the profile with these hospitals and then are at the mercy of those hospitals coming back to them 3-4months down the line if there is any interest. I know everything in the Kingdom is slow and takes time (even when I look at my offer from interview to getting the paperwork), but we don't get the feel that the recruiters are properly mandated by the hospitals to recruit for a specific position as you would expect. They seem to be just throwing CVs to the hospital blackbox and then just waiting... Did you get any more clarity or confidence boost on physician opportunities at JHAH or elsewhere? I noticed that there are very few U.S. licensed physicians at JHAH. I am not sure whether this is due to the lack of preference on part of U.S. physicians or of JHAH, but certainly there are few U.S. doctors at JHAH. Love to hear the experience of any physician spouses. Yes she got some clarity. Essentially understood from speaking to some people that JHAH in the past couple of years hasn't really been hiring expats particularly from the UK or USA (cost pressures, schedule issues, availability of local or regional doctors, etc.). However apparently now they are in need of doctors and looking to hire again. Understand what they do is that they hire a couple of recruiters and then do a roadshow (in London I am aware of) and come and hire on the spot. Not sure what other recruitment cycles / approaches are outside this for expats. She is not aware of US physicians but certainly there are some UK qualified - again don't know what proportion. What she is doing is reaching out to JHAH doctors on LinkedIn so I suggest you ask your spouse to do the same perhaps Don't know about opportunities outside JHAH but I doubt they will pay decent expat style packages |
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newbee
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Post by newbee on May 15, 2023 22:59:55 GMT
By any chance, is there any couple or is anyone aware of any couple where one was working for Aramco and the other spouse got a job at JHAH?
How do they treat salary packages in that case as technically JHAH is a separate eny now. Aramco gives on camp housing benefit etc. while I understand JHAH these days don't offer on camp housing but instead include Housing Allowance and other allowances etc. to make up the full all-in package when offering roles.
Anyone who can share their experience or if they have seen / heard from others who have experienced similar situation would be really appreciated.
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