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Post by wisdom on Jun 3, 2015 15:43:16 GMT
Hi everyone,
I am a married woman with a baby and I have been given an interview with John Hopkins. I was told only professional issues will be discussed in the interview. I wonder what sort of employment package I can expect from Aramco, given the interview is successful? Would I be able to take my baby with me? How about maternity in case I get pregnant again during my employment? Any ideas about accommodation John Hopkins offers?
Thank you.
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stmayo11
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Post by stmayo11 on Jun 5, 2015 10:00:35 GMT
If you were applying directly to Aramco, women are typically only given single status (not family status), so unfortunately, your baby and your husband would not be permitted to come with you as a residents. This is based on my understanding of Saudi government rules for issuing visas. Exceptions can be made in unusual circumstances, but those are usually very rare...Someone with a unique critical skillset in a position they must fill.
JH might be different but I suspect they are bound by the same government visa rules SA is bound by. If I'm wrong on this, someone please correct me.
A workaround is to have your husband look simultaneously for a job he's qualified for here. If they want you bad enough, they'll work with you to try to arrange dual employment but that would require a lot of work and coordination...assuming your husband is highly qualified for a position here.
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Post by Maursh on Jun 11, 2015 18:15:26 GMT
The single status only for women is an Aramco policy, not a Government one in general. I know of women who have family status with trailing husbands and children, who work for different organizations. I have no idea what John Hopkins's policies might be.
Having your husband apply and you coming as his dependent is fraught with complications. Despite you having a job offer in hand there are no guarantees you can obtain a working visa once you are here as a dependent spouse.
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Post by hrehman on Jun 12, 2015 16:05:13 GMT
Marush,
I work for Johns Hopkins what position you are interviewing for or you did?
Since you will be hired by Johns Hopkins so it could be a different policy.
Thanks
Hamood
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Post by RedBlueWhite on Mar 28, 2023 16:26:26 GMT
I am an engineer and have an opportunity to join Aramco in Dhahran, but my doctor wife is not sure if she can find a job there. Is a female doctor allowed to seek employment at JHAH if she is qualified on her own merits? Are doctors eligible for expat package as well? Can spouses seek employment if they are professionally qualified on their own? Is it uncommon for spouses to be able to find jobs in Dhahran? For context, my wife is a U.S. citizen and is a U.S. trained/licensed specialist physician.
I am hoping that I work for Aramco, and my wife works for JHAH, both on U.S. payroll.
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Post by arabco on Mar 29, 2023 8:28:36 GMT
Should be a piece of cake for her to find a position at Johns Hopkins
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Post by benish on Mar 29, 2023 10:09:36 GMT
Dear all,
I have also a same kind of situation. I am a medical doctor from India and my husband has started working as a Scientist at Aramco. I was highly interested in working at John Hopkins but I have no foreign board qualifications but I have a foreign nationality. I was wondering would it be possible to get a role there? Any suggestions or comments would be highly appreciated.
Many thanks@
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Post by RedBlueWhite on Mar 29, 2023 21:12:15 GMT
Should be a piece of cake for her to find a position at Johns Hopkins She believes that finding a physician job is not the problem. The question is whether Aramco will allow her to work since she will enter KSA as my dependent. Many posts here suggest that it is difficult for spouses to work even if they are professionally qualified. Below are two conflicting thoughts: 1. No - spouse cannot work since she comes to KSA as a dependent and her dependent iqama does not allow employment. If she gets her own iqama, then she won't be allowed to remain a resident at Aramco camp. Armco does not like working spouse since this interferes with vacation schedules etc. 2. Yes - spouse can work by getting her own iqama. Aramco policy does not support spouse working at Aramco, but allows spouse to seek employment outside of Aramco. The concern is - will Aramco have a problem with the spouse working at JHAH? Wife is a U.S. citizen and U.S. trained / board certified physician. |
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Post by tamsin on Mar 30, 2023 5:01:06 GMT
Should be a piece of cake for her to find a position at Johns Hopkins She believes that finding a physician job is not the problem. The question is whether Aramco will allow her to work since she will enter KSA as my dependent. Many posts here suggest that it is difficult for spouses to work even if they are professionally qualified. Below are two conflicting thoughts: 1. No - spouse cannot work since she comes to KSA as a dependent and her dependent iqama does not allow employment. If she gets her own iqama, then she won't be allowed to remain a resident at Aramco camp. Armco does not like working spouse since this interferes with vacation schedules etc. 2. Yes - spouse can work by getting her own iqama. Aramco policy does not support spouse working at Aramco, but allows spouse to seek employment outside of Aramco. The concern is - will Aramco have a problem with the spouse working at JHAH? Wife is a U.S. citizen and U.S. trained / board certified physician. Some women do have jobs, on and off camp. The company does not care, as far as I know, as long as the work is legal and not under the table, people do change their iqama but it would not change your family status. The reason most don’t work is because of the limited options available to expats. You see a lot of women in scrubs on the camp, and I believe it would also make you eligible for the daycare, if you have kids. |
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Post by RedBlueWhite on Mar 30, 2023 14:18:22 GMT
Tamsin, Thank you. This answers my question and is a great relief. At times of skill shortage globally, barring spouses from participating in gainful employment would have no logic.
If there is an Aramco expat in this forum who has a physician spouse, I would love to hear about the experience.
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Post by ghzhujwmao on Mar 31, 2023 13:25:34 GMT
Last year was the first time Aramco allows wives to bring families in. In the meantime, Aramco got rid of the casual job program and allowed dual-expat hiring to save money. Is it a good sign? I am not sure because this suggests cost control is a top priority now and no more outeous package.
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Post by asra on Mar 31, 2023 14:57:42 GMT
Last year was the first time Aramco allows wives to bring families in. In the meantime, Aramco got rid of the casual job program and allowed dual-expat hiring to save money. Is it a good sign? I am not sure because this suggests cost control is a top priority now and no more outeous package. what dual expat hiring means ? |
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Post by RedBlueWhite on Apr 1, 2023 5:11:11 GMT
Last year was the first time Aramco allows wives to bring families in. In the meantime, Aramco got rid of the casual job program and allowed dual-expat hiring to save money. Is it a good sign? I am not sure because this suggests cost control is a top priority now and no more outeous package. Is it a good sign? I think so. Aramco should absolutely want to save money. Allowing expat spouses to work provides dual income to expat families, while lowering cost to Aramco (in the sense housing/travel/EAP costs are not duplicated if both husband and wife are employed). It's just my opinion, but I think dual income or dual-expat is a welcome move. |
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Post by ghzhujwmao on Apr 1, 2023 13:57:37 GMT
Last year was the first time Aramco allows wives to bring families in. In the meantime, Aramco got rid of the casual job program and allowed dual-expat hiring to save money. Is it a good sign? I am not sure because this suggests cost control is a top priority now and no more outeous package. what dual expat hiring means ? It means both husband and wife can work as expat, receiving the other benefits on top of base salary. |
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Post by RedBlueWhite on Apr 3, 2023 21:16:19 GMT
She believes that finding a physician job is not the problem. The question is whether Aramco will allow her to work since she will enter KSA as my dependent. Many posts here suggest that it is difficult for spouses to work even if they are professionally qualified. Below are two conflicting thoughts: 1. No - spouse cannot work since she comes to KSA as a dependent and her dependent iqama does not allow employment. If she gets her own iqama, then she won't be allowed to remain a resident at Aramco camp. Armco does not like working spouse since this interferes with vacation schedules etc. 2. Yes - spouse can work by getting her own iqama. Aramco policy does not support spouse working at Aramco, but allows spouse to seek employment outside of Aramco. The concern is - will Aramco have a problem with the spouse working at JHAH? Wife is a U.S. citizen and U.S. trained / board certified physician. Some women do have jobs, on and off camp. The company does not care, as far as I know, as long as the work is legal and not under the table, people do change their iqama but it would not change your family status. The reason most don’t work is because of the limited options available to expats. You see a lot of women in scrubs on the camp, and I believe it would also make you eligible for the daycare, if you have kids. Tamsin, Do you know how some women are able to pursue professional jobs while maintaining family status? Other forum members have written that if spouse accepts a professional job, she will need her own iqama (as opposed to dependent iqama). This triggers the loss of family status (camp housing, EAP etc) with Aramco. I am just not following the two divergent opinions on this topic. |
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