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Post by rx63 on Jul 23, 2014 18:55:39 GMT
o everyone,
I'm from Asian origin living/working in the UK for almost 5 years (just have few months before getting permanent residency). I've been offered a role with GC12. However the salary is just £400 more than what I get here in the UK after tax. I am really disappointed with this offer. Is there a chance of revision if I ask for a counter offer? Please note that I still hold a Indian passport.
If I have to accept this offer then I will be losing out my opportunity to be a British citizen in 1+ years. So it is a big decision and this less attractive offer is making it even more difficult. Any advice is very helpful
Thanks
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Post by fsaeed81 on Jul 23, 2014 23:00:14 GMT
You're always free to submit a counter offer. It may be accepted/reject or is some situations retracted. Just an FYI - my offer's base pay (from US) was a few hundred over my current pay. I have heard of offers being above current pay and below current pay.
If an offer is below current pay, you can resubmit your paystub and request for them to match or exceed it. Considering your current immigration situation - you in route to geting your british citizenship, the decision would be personal to you.
My wife is in a similar situation; she has a US permanent residency through marriage and we decided to proceed with our offer, knowing it will mean her relinquishing the residency after a period of time. Our personal reasons being I can sponsor her at a later time since I'm a US citizen. So at the end of the day, its a personal decision.
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Hero55
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Post by Hero55 on Aug 6, 2014 14:34:28 GMT
You may sign and meanwhile you will get your new passport as the process of relocation can take up to 1 year.
if I were you, I will not move my from UK -no matter how attractive offer I get- untill I get that ideal citizenship
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Post by rx63 on Aug 11, 2014 18:55:52 GMT
Thanks fsaeed81 and Hero55 for your comments... I've asked for a counter offer by including my current pay stubs... Its been 3 weeks now and have not heard anything. Keeping the fingers crossed, lets see what happens...
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Post by ray_noel on Sept 9, 2014 7:08:40 GMT
Hi,
when sending a rejection form to their offer, do they give feedback if they will counter offer or they will just reject your application status without feedback?
Due to their offer, I am not satisfied and it's not encouing to transfer my work from Philippines to ARAMCO.
Thanks.
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Hero55
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Post by Hero55 on Sept 10, 2014 0:33:33 GMT
Hi
I have the same concern. They asked me to show an evidence of a counter offer from my current employer (who want to retain me) in order to consider any negotiations. Since I am in gbp contract I am afraid they will come back with global contract and lower salary as I am from tier 3. Is it possible to change my point of origin (so that I get more repat. Allowance) and maintain gbp contract?
Thanks
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Post by Maursh on Sept 10, 2014 18:49:41 GMT
I don't think that it is unusual to be offered about the same as your UK gross salary and not more. There is no tax nor NI paid though so in real terms it is still at least 35% more than you would take home in the UK - this is the carrot. Also there is a lower cost of living (much lower rent, utility bills etc) here.
The issue with UK citizenship is another matter altogether.
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Post by NewAramcoHire on Sept 12, 2014 9:29:22 GMT
Hi
I understand from a friend to whom a Saudi Aramco Recruitment Representative (verbally) informed as below:
• The monthly base pay offered by S. Aramco is similar to what someone makes in their home country as base. If they get bonus or other benefits, those are not considered while establishing Saudi Aramco Base Salary. The offered base salary is usually either slightly less or slightly more, but you usually don't expect a big variations (with exceptions noted below:)
• If a person makes a very high salary in their home country as base salary and if it is outside the maximum of standard base salary range for the grade code (even if each grade code has a very wide range), then the base salary offered by Aramco could be very less. In such a case, the candidate can negotiate. But, he should decide whether to accept Saudi Aramco (based on other benefits) or not without expecting a much better offer.
I have a friend (British Citizen) who is M.Eng + 25 years of experience. He was on a long term contract with an oil & gas operator earning £1000 per day since last 3 years (annual salary - approx. £230k even after considering 30 working days holidays), but was offered only USD 12500 base salary or monthly regular earning of base salary + standard overbase + monthly benefits supplement = USD 19750 (or annually USD 237000 or approx. GBP 143700 / annum). He is considering whether to decline as the recruiter said no increase is possible. No salary should be discussed on the forum, but I thought it a typical case - so I wanted to highlight for information of others.
Hope this helps!
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Post by ray_noel on Sept 15, 2014 4:08:57 GMT
Hi,
I tried to send counter offer with their initial salary letter.
I just want to know how long does they usually respond?
Also, when you do counter offer, does they automatically put your employment to rejected though you are still in salary offer stage? I'm just concern that they will reject my counter offer and will look for another candidate without me knowing their response.
Thanks!
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Post by amna78 on Sept 15, 2014 17:03:31 GMT
NewAramcoHire,
Although there is a big variation between the offer and current salary, my two cents would be to compare the total of the offer package with current salary especially due to the fact that he is a contractor. Contractor per hour rates are generally higher than permanent employment even if he was to go for it in UK, i would guess. Considering bonuse, retirement benefits (this could really make a difference if you use their 10 years calc), medical, schooling, accomodation etc. everything, again especially for contractors as their hourly rates deem to include all those benefits and they pay for all these costs from their own pocket.
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Post by NewAramcoHire on Sept 16, 2014 9:20:04 GMT
Hi Amna78, I agree with you to certain extent regarding comparing with the total offered package (including all benefits). But, there are certain risks:
1) If he does not like the job / place and leaves Saudi Aramco after one or two years, he will lose money compared to his current package.
2) Difference in working environment. In my opinion, both BP and Saudi Aramco have pros/cons. So, it is not a point to consider.
3) Working & Living in London vs Saudi and that too in current accommodation situation where he does not know where he will end up with (in DHT or local compounds or a compound far away). He currently commutes only 30mins from home plus his children studies in a UK grammar schools (no tuition fees) – 5 mins walk from his home.
4) He is able to afford 6 weeks holiday (being a contractor), so I don’t think Aramco’s generous holidays will be of much benefits to him.
5) He is on long term contract (annually renewable) – so job security is not a problem.
Considering the above, my advice to him is to decline the offer if Aramco can’t match monthly regular earning (base salary + standard overbase + monthly benefits supplement) with his current UK monthly gross income. I don’t think Aramco will match. If they match the gross contract income (which is not a likely situation), then he should accept the offer as he will be better off by tax amount (approx. 25 to 30% for UK contractors) + long term Aramco benefits (if he stays long with Aramco) + job security.
What do you think?
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Post by Coocoodry on Sept 21, 2014 10:43:43 GMT
NewAramcoHire and Amna78,
Considering the above, my advice to him is to decline the offer if Aramco can’t match monthly regular earning (base salary + standard overbase + monthly benefits supplement) with his current UK monthly gross income.
To be brutally honest your friend is better off staying where he is and your advice is 'spot on'.
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Post by nonie on Jul 18, 2015 15:22:01 GMT
o all,
Is there any one who hired for Information Security (InfoSec) job position in Saudi Aramco.
1. Can you please tell what is the salary scale Aramco offer for InfoSec job position for EU and US nationals ?
2. Do you know the carrier path for this position, such as how long does it take to reach to InfoSec specialist position or Lead InfoSec role or InfoSec Manager ?.
3. Can you please tell how is the InfoSec department or working enviroment ? As at present, i work as InfoSec Application Security + InfoSec monitoring and reponse to Cyber attacks in my current company. So i want to know what pay scale Saudi Aramco give for InfoSec positions?
4. Do you know any interview questions or can share your exp for InfoSec related question ?
5. How long will it take from the point of interview till you start your work in Saudi Aramco ? is it take 1 year or 2 year duration to go through each and every process ?
6. Other things which you would like to share your exp etc related to IT security jobs.
7. Is there a pay scale different for EU and USA nationals, if yes, does anyone can get 55K to 75K saudi riyal for InfoSec jobs with 10 to 12 years of exp?
Thank you
Best Regards
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