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Post by bamaster on May 15, 2014 23:18:48 GMT
o all!
I'm from Texas, I had my face to face interview earlier this week and the experience was surprisingly positive. The hiring managers were intelligent and friendly. And the Aramco Services recruiters were also quite nice.
After the interview I spoke briefly with the recruiter and I tried to get some details about the compensation possibilities with the position. I discovered that the position is a grade 13 and learned the highlights about the benefits. I was told that I would get a lot more details after an offer, if I were to get one.
I was hoping someone could PM me some salary ranges for that GC 13. Yes, I know an offer must be considered with expat uplift, benefits and perks. I understand that. But I fear that my current base may be on the very top end of the GC, which may limit my growth possibilities.
Any info via PM or on here would be appreciated. Thanks!
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Post by bamaster on May 20, 2014 21:12:24 GMT
Follow up question...
Is the U.S. salary uplift fixed or negotiable? I thought I read that someone's counteroffer included a bump in expat premium. Or did I misunderstand that?
Thank you!
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Post by vpainter on May 21, 2014 3:52:56 GMT
The salary range within each GC would be unable to be posted here or anywhere. There are alot of factors involved in determining salary. When you receive your offer, only you can determine if it is good for you. If you want to negotiate anything in your offer, then do so.
Every position in Aramco is assigned a GC, you may not be able to negotiate GC for the le you are being hired for.
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Post by bamaster on May 21, 2014 17:16:54 GMT
Thank you, VPainter. Yes, I know salaries aren't discussed, but I was hoping for some guidance through PM. No worries.
How about this... what are the odds of an offer being at the maximum within a grade code?
As my offer is imminent, I'm sure I'll find out soon enough. I'd just like to know how much wiggle room there is if I negotiate.
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Post by azraeil on May 21, 2014 18:54:27 GMT
bamaster,
No company would want to do that because then you will have no salary increase for the next year. If you've reached the ceiling, the base salary will not increase and instead, you are given some sort of payment in return for a salary that is basically frozen.
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Post by bamaster on May 21, 2014 19:14:37 GMT
azraeil,
Yes, but generally, the grade codes increase periodically, too. Maybe not every year but they have to adjust for costs of living adjustments.
In my brief discussion with the recruiter, I was told the grade paid "up to $xxx per month". While this was very close to my current pay, I wasn't sure if that number was the maximum for starting offers... or maximum for the grade itself.
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Post by azraeil on May 22, 2014 19:47:42 GMT
bamaster,
Grade code rule of thumb ... 5 years per grade code. So expect to get a promotion to another grade code on avee of every 5 years. There is no such thing as a cost of living adjustment here. Not on the base salary anyway. Base salary increases are based on your performance review and you will get your merit increase on July 1 every year. Newcomers should expect a rating of M (meet expectations) which gives an avee increment of 3.5-4% on the base salary. A rating of E gives an avee of 4.5 to 5.5% and if your base salary is in the higher quartile then shave a percentage point from that number.
So taking into account that the company expects you to be in the same grade code for 5 years and taking into account that the annual merit increase is in the 3-4 % range, the highest salary they would normally give you is probably at 30% below maximum for the grade code.
If your recruiter tells you numbers (merit increase etc) that is higher than the one I mentioned, take it with a boatload of salt.
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Post by vpainter on May 24, 2014 19:23:25 GMT
There is no rule of thumb here on GC. People have been here 10+ years and not received a GC increase.
GC increases are not guaranteed.
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Post by azraeil on May 25, 2014 10:50:53 GMT
vpainter, my apologies .... 10+ years and no promotion ...yikes. And to think that I was already bemused with the 5+ years that my Division head keeps preaching .... ohh well.
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Post by bamaster on May 25, 2014 12:43:28 GMT
It's certainly safe to say that there are many exceptions to any rule of thumb. But let's make some assumptions... Like that a person gets a 4% raise each year.
Over 5 years, a person will be paid 21% more than they started with. Over 10 years, 48%.
Depending on where that person started in the grade code and how much the grade codes adjust over time, with nearly 50% increase in pay, it's not hard to assume that a GC increase is probable within that time.
I know VP is just being careful not to let "rules of thumb" statements on here to go unchecked. That's wise. Candidates can falsely take them as fact. Nevertheless, I appreciate the dialog.
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Post by GroveWanderer on May 25, 2014 12:48:05 GMT
It may not be hard to assume but it would definitely be incorrect to assume that. In my personal experience (and based on other people I know) GC increases can never be counted on to occur in any particular time frame, especially for expats. While increases in pay are fairly normal, they are in no way linked to promotion.
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Post by vpainter on May 25, 2014 16:22:44 GMT
GroveWanderer is correct. Salary increases yes, GC increase - not guaranteed.
Those who have not had a GC increase over the 10 years, have had salary increases each year.
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