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Post by Rollercoaster on Aug 4, 2013 0:29:15 GMT
Hi,
I am new to the forum and have been reading a lot of the post to get an idea of the hiring process and life with Aramco. It is a great forum with lots of useful information.
I have some questions regarding my husbands offer. My husband was interviewed for a senior position. He was advised by his recruiter that she had seen the transcript of the interview and that he had an exceptional interview and was an exceptional candidate and was highly recommended for an offer. All this sounds great now comes the confusion. The offer was for a lower grade and 20% base pay less than he currently receives. When he asked the recruiter to clarify (he had to go back 3 times for clarifications as each time made less sense) the recruiter came back with different job les and job descriptions. Eventually he has been told that he basically has got the job he interview for and the job description is for reqesition purposes only. My husband sent in his payslips (he wasn't ask before the offer) and had a slight increase same grade. He went back again asking for a GC increase and base pay increase based on the senior roll he would be doing. Where we are now is we have been told that they are unable to increase the GC but will increase the base pay again.
We are very conflicted as my husband doesn't want to get to Aramco and find out he is not going to do the job he interviewed for, and because the recruiter came back with so many different answers we are not feeling very confident with the last answer.
My question is, is this normal and should my husband be concerned. He has documented his phone calls to the recruiter with follow up emails and has made it very clear that he will only accept the offer if the job is the one he interviewed for. What are the chances after all this that we could end up over there and he is not doing the job he thought he was going to do.
We were very excited when we got the offer email and we were looking forward to joining Aramco now we don't know what to think. The base pay and the GC grade is not that important to my husband at the end of the day, but he really wants to do the job he interviewed for. Your thoughts would be much appriciated.
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Post by vpainter on Aug 4, 2013 8:24:17 GMT
Wish I could say that a change in job on arrival has never happened, but it has happened although I would say it is rare considering the number of people hired.
What does your offer in writing say? Not the email offer.
The position your husband has interviewed for has a GC assigned to it, that is why you probably cannot get it increased. Although, even though you have submitted your pays stubs once, if the salary increase did not match it, then write a letter and resubmit your pay stubs asking them to match your current salary. You can ask for clarification of the job le/position in this letter also. There will be people with usually 8 - 20+ years experience in your GC. Every position has a GC assigned to it with a salary scale for the GC. GC promotions can occur during yearly annual reviews but are not guaranteed to occur.
GC in Aramco cannot be compared to GC's in other companies. That is comparing apples and oranges.
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Post by Rollercoaster on Aug 4, 2013 15:24:23 GMT
Thank you vpainter for your reply. Can I send you a PM.
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Post by waderand on Aug 4, 2013 19:03:36 GMT
Unfortunately, I think this is an issue with the current hiring practices. I am new here but along with myself and about 10 people I met since arriving who are also new here, have had similar experiences. It appears the issues start with the granting of block visas for positions and possibly using the same requisition number for numerous related positions. We all were sent communications about interviewing for 1 position and only found out in the interview we were interviewing for a different position. At that point, you did not even know the job description. The recruiter told me some of the information above to try to clarify the miscommunications. It seems at some point, they try to move candidates into similar positions to the one they thought they were interviewing for so as not to have to start the process over with another group of candidates. They also make offers to more candidates than they have positions for relying on the fact that some candidates will drop out or not make it through the process. It could be that your husband's position was taken by someone else and they are trying to move him into another vacant but similar position. I cannot speak to GC codes and pay since I do not know how you would know about this information before an interview or an offer.
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Post by Rollercoaster on Aug 6, 2013 18:51:23 GMT
Hi waderand, Thank you for your reply. My husband was interviewed for the position he applied for. At no time during the interview was there ever a suggestion that he was being considered for any other position. The job description that was sent to him prior to the interview was exactly in line with the position he applied for and his current expertise. So there was no confusion during that time. The confusion started when he received the offer email and then the FedEx package. We know it is for a much lower grade than he interviewed for because in the job description he received prior to the interview stated that he would quote "Provides **** direction to his assigned Senior *** (or *** I, ***II or ***III if applicable)". His offer was for an *** II GC 13. Dispite this he is still being given the impression that he will be doing the job he applied for. This is why he asked for a grade increase but he has been told they are unable to. Based on the GC's and his educational background, years of experience and expertise, he should be either GC 15 or GC 16. According to the recruiter, as I said previously, the interivew transcript said he had an exceptional interview etc. So why the lower grade? Why tell him the job le is for requisition purposes only? Why come back with 3 different job les? If they have already given the job to someone else why not just say so and tell him they are trying to fit him in somewhere else? Then he would have all the facts and he can decide properly what to do. It is all a bit vague. The last thing we want to do is sell everything and up root our children only to arrive in KSA and discover my husband is not doing the job he believes he is doing. The job description for "requisition purposes" is for a role my husband did many years ago at the start of his career and he is completely out of touch with it now. So if he signs the offer and agrees to that job description for "requisition purposes" and then he gets to KSA and finds out he is actually doing that job, he has no come back and it would be a disaster. They can send you back saying you can't do the job during the 90 days probation and then where would we be. Homeless and jobless!! We have lived in the Middle East before and loved it and we were very happy to hear that an offer was being sent. Now were are just "conflicted and Confused" :? What are the chances that Aramco would treat you like that. Or am I over reacting and we should trust the recruiter even though they are as I said being a bit vague.  Your opinions are much appreciated. Thank you P.S I did receive a PM from someone thank you but I am unable to respond for some reason. |
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Post by vpainter on Aug 7, 2013 22:16:34 GMT
Please read under the discussion group: Frequently Asked Questions regarding PM's.
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Post by waderand on Aug 8, 2013 4:24:40 GMT
In my group we have varying GCs and job les with I, II and III. They have little meaning. A GC 12 might be supervising a GC 13 for instance or a III might be supervising a I. It seems these mostly have to do with your hiring qualifications not what you actually do.
My recruiter said the same thing - it was for requisitions purposes. I was not told in the interview I was interviewing for a different job le. It came up because some of the questioning was confusing. The interviewer told me there are a variety of open positions and based on the interview he was going to try to put me in a different position. It was not openly revealed is what I am trying to say.
Although the offer may have been made to someone else, if does not mean they are hired. The process if long and that person could drop out at anytime for many reasons. Also, from my understanding, there are almost no expats with grade code 15 or 16, 14 seems to be the highest. I may be wrong but that is what I was told and the only 14+ I have met are Saudi, so they would not be offering those GCs to your husband.
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Post by Rollercoaster on Aug 8, 2013 13:15:27 GMT
Hi waderand,
I sent you a PM.
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Post by 31311 on Aug 16, 2013 16:17:10 GMT
Rollercoaster, not sure if you are still struggling with this situation but if you are, your husband can contact me at ksm31311@yahoo.com. I have some experience in this area but prefer not to go back in forth in the forum... |
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Post by Rollercoaster on Aug 18, 2013 21:37:27 GMT
Thank you 31311. I have sent you an email.
Rollercoaster
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Post by Rollercoaster on Aug 19, 2013 18:36:27 GMT
I just thought I would let everyone know that my husband has now spoken with his Department Head, and most of his concerns have now been addressed. Although it is not exactly what he wanted the role he will be doing is more in line with his experience so we are not now concerned with the probation period.
They also increased his base salary and it is now very close to his current base salary, so that is good. They didn't change the GC but he is not too concerned as the role was more important to him.
So it looks like he is going to accept the offer finally. Now for the rest of the rollercoaster ride!!!
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