Hero55
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Post by Hero55 on Jun 27, 2013 3:35:20 GMT
Dear Aramco Expert and advisors, I am holding and Arabian nationality (not GCC) and just got an offer from Aramco under GBP payroll. I like the offer which base salary is attractive for me with my only 7 yrs experience on oil industry (oil field Services Company). I am holding a master degree from western university. The base salary + the overbase is around 5K GBP (I need to say that in order for your to help me in my below long term calculation) The challenge is that at the same week I got the offer, I got a call from Australian immigration agency saying that we are at the last step of permanent residence migration to Australia. I have already paid something around 5K USD and I need to pay additional around 4K USD for final step in order for them to process my final visa request which will take around 6 months to be ready. I need to stay in Australia around 4yrs later to get the citizen ship. I have wife and 2 kids. For long term prospective, should I accept the offer or migrate to Australia. Does nationality really matter to sacrifice 5 yrs in expensive Australia especially after I got this offer? If I skip migration I am going to lose the 5K USD already paid?
Your urgent support and advice are much appreciated.
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Post by vpainter on Jun 28, 2013 18:12:20 GMT
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Hero55
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Post by Hero55 on Jun 29, 2013 6:12:27 GMT
Thanks vpainter. I read your private message raman. Please explain it more as I couldn't understand who you was talking about for arabic passport aramco or Australin immigration. I am sorry I couldn't reply you I don't why. I need to make a big decision. Work with aramco or immigrate to Australia. Please anyone can share his/her experience
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Post by GroveWanderer on Jun 29, 2013 17:16:36 GMT
Without wanting to sound unhelpful, I think you would be better off asking that question in a forum dealing with Australian immigration issues, not in one dealing with employment in Saudi Aramco.
A quick Google search on "Australian Immigration Forum" returns a bunch of forums discussing such issues.
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Post by Hero55 on Jun 30, 2013 3:38:10 GMT
Thanks so much grovewanderer I have posted on immigration forum and waiting for advice. The reason I asked here also is to get some advice from financial point of view and that's why I put my rough base salary. Do you think thst this salary is good for my experience and nationality. I know the western nationality earn far more that's why I am thinking to get Australian passport. Do u think it is worth to live 5 yrs in expensive Australia and back or you it will be not really adding much benefits and value. I was thinking that 5 yrs working with aramco may be better than waiting in Australia but I am afraid that I will regret in future that I lost s real opportunity to live in Australia
Thanks
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Post by UmmRiyam on Jun 30, 2013 19:00:54 GMT
If you're Muslim, I think moving to Saudi Arabia would be best for your family. Of course pray istikhara to know for sure what decision you should make.
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Post by Hero55 on Jul 1, 2013 0:38:57 GMT
Thanks UmmRiyam, Yes I am Muslim and very happy to work in KSA. My main concern is job security with ARAMCO as I am holding Arabic nationality (non GCC) which I am worry that politics may lead at one day to send all certain nationality home like what is going one now as per media. The good points however is that they put me under GBP payroll which motivate me and make me feel that I am in the green zone. Can you elaborate more on ARAMCO resigning policy? Is too easy to fire someone with not significant reason
Regards
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Post by Hero55 on Jul 1, 2013 0:43:04 GMT
I got you email vp, thanks very much. I agree with it especially in term of financial. However once again job security for those non GCC Arab nationalities. Are they many of them in ARAMCO. The feeling of changing passport became as dreams for certain nationality. But I prefer to skip Australia as I will sacrifice a lot and may end up on non pleasant situation.
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Post by UmmRiyam on Jul 2, 2013 5:12:02 GMT
I think your greatest chance of being let go is during the probation period. I am not really sure how expats feel about job security. Maybe try asking the question in a new topic so everyone will see it. My husband is Saudi, and it's extremely rare for Aramco to fire a Saudi, even if he/she is very unproductive.
There are many non-GCC Arabs working in Aramco and in Saudi Arabia.
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Post by GroveWanderer on Jul 2, 2013 10:11:32 GMT
"I am worry that politics may lead at one day to send all certain nationality home like what is going one now as per media."
I'm not sure what you've been reading, but there is nothing going on right now which involves sending all people of a specific nationality home - at least, not that I've heard of.
What is happening is that everyone (of whatever nationality) that does not have valid work and/or residence permits - so basically, people who are working illegally, are being given a chance to resolve their situation without being subject to penalties. This can involve applying to leave the kingdom with no fine or jail involved (as was previously the case if discoverd to be working illegally) and the possibility to return as a legal worker in future, or the chance to transfer your sponsorship (if you have one) to a different employer.
There was a time during the Gulf War when people of a couple of nationalities were required to leave the kingdom but there is nothing like that going on at the moment.
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Post by GYM30 on Jul 10, 2013 10:26:15 GMT
Hi hero55 You will probably get double this salary in aussie but you pay tax. You still need to deeply think about your move to aussie. It is all depends in your objectives. Please consider long term plans
Good luck
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Post by supriyjo on Jul 12, 2013 10:58:28 GMT
Hi Gym30
With 7 years experiences no way he will get double up the offer from Aramco. The benefit of having A Permanent Resident Visa, you could live in Australia forever. But you still need a Valid Resident Return Visa when you are entering the country. The rule may change from time to time. Generally speaking, if the government grant you PR in which you are in overseas means your discipline is in a high demand. Likely should not be difficult to get a job. But this also not always the case. It may take a while to find a job.
Living cost: The living cost is very expensive compare to other country. Housing avee $ 450-500 per week for three bedroom house, 20 km from CBD. Food also relatively expensive. I spent $10-15 for my lunch. Fuel $1.45 per lt. The price will change depend on the international price.
At the moment little bit slow down in Australia, specifically in the mining industry. Oil and gas seems still ok but not as aggressive as last year. So if you would take the option of moving to Australia be prepared the worst case.
Aramco: Is a great company, the first three months are very though. They expecting you a lot. The employee should show up the capability. They tell the new employee on the first day. Other department may be different. In my case, from day 1 the HR explained that I will be closely monitoring my performance. So, there is a risk you could fail in the probation. Only you will know your capacity.
After pass the probation, i have not heard people been kick off from the company for no reason.
Hope this help.
Thanks
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Post by GYM30 on Jul 13, 2013 12:14:30 GMT
Hi supriyjo Well, I saw some job vacancies in oil and gas with maybe 8 yrs experiences based on Perth and base gross salary is 180 $/yr that's make it minimum of 100 $/yr which is even more than what he got with aramco.
Cheers
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Post by supriyjo on Jul 13, 2013 12:46:57 GMT
Sometimes the recruitment agency puts the salary range from A to B. It does not mean the potential candidate would be getting the top range. In fact very rare the client puts the salary range. So it is hard to say with 7 years of experiance will be getting double up of his offer.
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Post by GroveWanderer on Jul 14, 2013 8:19:58 GMT
I'm not sure your calculations add up. I haven't seen the ads in question but assuming that was Aus $, 100K would be equivalent to US $ 90 K. The salary he mentions comes to GBP 60K /yr which would be ... US$ 90K.
On top of that, you have to figure in Australian taxes and living expenses as opposed to a tax-free salary here, with much-reduced living expenses and various other benefits in addition to the base salary.
So all in all, I don't see that an Aus $ 100K /yr would put him any better off than the Aramco salary quoted above, in fact he would probably be worse off.
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