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Post by Leaf on May 11, 2013 19:00:17 GMT
Hi All,
I am a recent hire and haven't quite understood the hypo tax deduction. Given that I am a Non-Resident Canadian, would I be reimbursed for the hypo tax deduction at the end of the year? If so, how does one go about doing this? Any advice or point me to a Canadian tax adviser from people who've been hired under CDN$ payroll would be highly appreciated. Thanks
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Post by vpainter on May 11, 2013 19:11:20 GMT
There are posts on the Hypo tax for U.S. payroll, don't know if that search would be helpful to you.
Hopefully some of the Canadians on the forum will be able to give you an answer.
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Post by Leaf on May 11, 2013 19:32:15 GMT
Hi vpainter. Unfortunately, for US payroll its different since US citizens/residents have to pay tax. For a non-resident Canadian this is not the case, hence wondering who or what is being paid my hypothetical tax deduction
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Post by Eng-smile on May 12, 2013 5:38:55 GMT
This is an excellent post. A lots of newly hire Canadian have the same question and I hope someone from Canada already living there as a non resident Canadian will help us understanding the benifit of being non resistant Canadian in terms of hypo tax.
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Post by Tremblent on May 12, 2013 9:08:39 GMT
I know for sure, many people use www.expat.ca. All Canadians pay Hypothetical tax that goes back to Saudi Aramco. The justification I received is : " If you would have earned xx amount, you would would paid yy amount in tax. So we are taking that yy amount of tax as hypothetical tax back" This hypo tax deducted is not paid to CRA on your behalf. You need pay your own tax if applicable. Hope this helps.
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Post by sapphire on May 12, 2013 11:50:46 GMT
We're also new hires on Canadian payroll. We had asked about removing this hypo tax since we were non resident for tax purposes in Canada but were told the same by HR - see response below which seems to be the same as per the booklet they sent.
The Hypothetical tax cannot be removed. To understand the tax element of the Overseas Cost Difference, it is necessary to remember that the objective of the “balance sheet” is to provide you with about the same amount of after-tax income from your base salary that a comparable employee has in Canada. To balance the income tax element, a subtraction from your pay is made to approximate the tax liability that you had on your base salary, had you remained in Canada.
The Hypothetical Tax is an estimate of your Canadian income tax liability on your annual base salary. A pro-rated portion of the Hypothetical Tax is subtracted from your pay every month. This is not an actual tax, but rather an adjustment to pay.
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Post by sapphire on May 12, 2013 11:53:06 GMT
One more thing - the hypo tax has deductions which are based on your number of dependents - not sure how they calculate it but we had a newborn and so our hypo tax was reduced after the birth.
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Post by Leaf on May 16, 2013 22:26:20 GMT
Thanks everyone for your replies. I still don't see the need for an adjustment in the form of "Hypo Tax" - wouldn't it be much simpler to give a net salary without the use of the tax term? It is quite possible even though we are non-resident Canadians, the government would refund this money as typically firms do this to estimate tax burden so that the employee doesn't have to pay taxes when filing. In our case being a non-resident Canadian, we should get a return back from the Government upon filing even if the Hypo tax is not going to them - after all it is calculated the same way. My situation is even more frustrating since I was anyway living in the Middle East, so I never had the tax issue, adjusting for Canadian tax just doesn't make sense to / for me. Anyone here know of a good tax adviser?
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Post by help please on May 17, 2013 12:39:27 GMT
Hi my husband has just been offered a job by Aramco, and we are also canadian immigrants and just received our PRCs in Feb 2013. We have absolutely no idea how Canadian immigrants live in Saudia Aramco and what are the terms and conditions of being a canadian immigrant, remember we still dont have a canadian passport. This topis did not come up during the hiring process, but my husband told me that he has heard thing like, we need to surrender our license in Canada and also close off the bank account. I will be really happy if someone can help me with this as this is going to be a major point to decide wheather to take the offer or not.
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Post by gbhatia on May 18, 2013 3:11:00 GMT
Leaf, the fact is the Canadian government cannot refund a tax they are not paid. If you claim Canadian resident status (ie keep your licence, house, health card, bank accounts etc) then yes you may have a point. But then keep in mind that you will pay full taxes on all your income worldwide when you file your income tax return. By taking the steps necessary to declare yourself a non resident, you avoid the Canadian taxes hence there's nothing for the Canadian government to refund. Please note that I am NOT an accountant so do not take my advice as the be all /end all. As many have said on this board, consult a tax accountant so you have full details of what the implications are for you.
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Post by GroveWanderer on May 18, 2013 12:43:34 GMT
Although I'm not an expert on all the ins and outs of it (not being on that payroll) I can tell you that one point to bear in mind (as to why things are the way they are) is that there is not a separate Candian payroll, there is a US/Canadian Dollar payroll - the two are combined. That being the case, a lot of the provisions are based on mechanisms that were set in place for US employees, rather than for Canadians.
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Post by tough times on May 28, 2013 11:12:54 GMT
HI I am in a lousy situation. I am a canadian immigrant with a PR card and not a passport. Being offered a job would i also pay a tax or something, or what will happen. PLease help so i make a decision if or not to accept the offer.
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Post by antemareundae on Jun 11, 2013 0:40:01 GMT
OK but how much is the hypo tax deduction? 20%, 30%... how much from the total salary? Thanks in advance!
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Post by Sparkle75 on Jun 11, 2013 2:48:20 GMT
All the Canadians , who claim nonresident cant have a bank account in Canada ? What about Rrsp's and resp which mostly Canadians contribute to living in Canada ... So many things to consider before moving....
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Post by gun420 on Jun 11, 2013 17:45:54 GMT
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