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Post by fatma on May 10, 2013 23:55:33 GMT
Dear All,
can I please kindly ask you how would be defined the parents in the HR Manual ? I mean by that I have put their name in the list of dependent on my application form. Would Aramco provide paperwork for them to be incluced in the work permit as dependent ?
I just need them to be on my Iqama as I cant leave them alone in the UK.
what is the status of the HR Manual for designing the parents as dependent ? my parents are very aged, and no one can take care of them back in the UK. In my application form, I have put my parents as my dependent.
thanks in advance for your replies
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Post by kellbenl on May 11, 2013 4:49:31 GMT
Hi Fatma
I had the same question on my interview. My dad is 84 and becoming more and more dependent of help than he used to be. Basically the answer and reassurance I was given is that if any thing happens to him I could leave at a minutes notice to be with him. This was actually the decisive moment that I had to accept the job. In the words of le Sayers, is first, My family is second, and I and Third.
I hope this helps in some small way. It is definitely reassuring to know that we will be working for a company that takes family into consideration as much as they take us into consideration
Take care
Ben
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Post by Hadia on May 11, 2013 18:10:59 GMT
It is my understanding that dependents are defined as an employee's legally married spouse and their children, whether naturally born, adopted, or step-child (with certain required custody provisions that must be met). Employees' parents and in-laws can come to see you for a period of time as visitors, provided they are granted a visitor's visa by the Kingdom. Much has been written about this topic in the forum.
We inquired about bringing our elderly parent to KSA as a dependent, and were told by ASC that it is not possible to get such a visa, despite this parent being our legal (tax) dependent in the US for many years, and unable to live alone. It's a tough situation when you have elderly parents who are not capable of flying around the world for visits here and there, and really need to be close to their grown children. If we did not have other family to help in our parent's care situation, we would not have been able to accept the job in KSA.
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Post by sapphire on May 12, 2013 12:33:59 GMT
I'm not certain how Aramco views this matter or assists in having your parents reside here as dependents, but I do know for sure that some expats have done this once here through local sources/channels. After all your parents will be under your own sponsorship and not on Aramco (but not sure how medical cover or housing would work). Excuse the example but I think in regards to sponsorship it would be similar to hiring a maid or driver under your sponsorship, except in this case your dependent parents will not be allowed to work.
I've heard that its easiest to sponsor your dependent mother, or either of your parents due to some medical condition. But not sure whether all this is still applicable given the recent nationalization drive and new regulations. And the whole process is very ambiguous and likely to require a lot of running around to different government departments. I wouldn't bank on it succeeding, but would give it a shot once in-Kingdom.
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Post by interlocator on May 13, 2013 10:50:22 GMT
Hi Fatma. I'm also in a similar situation as my mother, although not very old has a number of medical conditions and requires constant care. She has been living with us for some time so I put her down as a dependent in the application. However at the time of my offer, it was explained to me that she can't be my dependent and that I can apply for her visit visa (3 months) twice a year which means that she can spend up to 6 months with us. This is not ideal as she gets travel sickness and also can't travel at her own, however better than nothing.
Another option (per my own research) is to sponsor her as your employee (maid etc). However the rules for this are not clear. I have read on one of the forums (not this one) that it is not easy to sponsor someone (as maid ) from your country of origin (not sure if it is true!). I will probably seek to get more clarity on my options once I'm there, and until then assume that my mother will be able to at least visit and spend time with us on visit visas.
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Post by Hadia on May 14, 2013 5:33:50 GMT
I wonder how would that work, with the mandatory retirement age at 60. Does that not apply to home workers?
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Post by vpainter on May 14, 2013 17:43:19 GMT
It does. We had a house helper who had to leave for good this past year because he turned 60.
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Post by fatma on May 16, 2013 5:18:48 GMT
Thanks All (Hadia, Vpainter, Interlocator, sapphire, kellbenl) for your help and guidance.
I believe I'll have to do a visa for them every 3 months. both parents are above 60, so sponsoring them as maid is definitly not an option. I'll maybe also have to try to sponsor them for medical reason.
have a nice day
Fatma
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Post by vpainter on May 17, 2013 22:11:28 GMT
You would not be able to sponsor them for medical reasons. Although, you may consider moving them to Bahrain so you can be close at hand for them.
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