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Post by CanPeng on Feb 12, 2013 21:22:59 GMT
Just received this information from Aramaco Personal Effects Services as part of their packing and shipping instructions...
"110 volt appliances will be confiscated by Saudi Customs in compliance with recent government restrictions on the import of 110 volt appliances"
I'm completely shocked, I know this is a new thing that the government is implementing but I was never told before, nor I have ever read on this forum before that you can't ship 110 V appliances for personal use. Please let me know if you know anything about this, was this part of the instructions that everyone has received (those who traveled in the recent months) .. Thank you
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Post by vpainter on Feb 12, 2013 22:27:58 GMT
I do not believe you will have any trouble shipping your 110 appliances. The government/customs people know that Aramco is 110. I recommend you get address/return address/removable file folder labels (you can print the info on them twice and cut them into) and place your name, Saudi Aramco, Badge number if you have it and which compound you are going to. Stick these on your shipment items and on the outside of the boxes of your shipment. These stickers also help if your shipment is searched that all your things are returned to you.
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Post by CanPeng on Feb 13, 2013 15:04:28 GMT
Thanks for the advice Vpainter, this a bit comforting to hear. I'm stil concerned however,we are still at the beginning of 2013 so maybe there was a grace period that expired. I bought many new 110V appliences, the best I could find, based on advice from most people to bring your own appliences. The warning I received was from Aramco, this was the instruction number one at the top of instructions list, so if I ship my items that would be at my own risk. I hope to hear from anyone who shipped his items recently, to see if they also received this warning, shipped their appliences and didn't face a problem. Thanks
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Post by Twofeets on Feb 14, 2013 3:32:42 GMT
Last year Arab News reported that 110 would not longer be allowed to be imported. The law went into effect in2011 and they said enforcement would begin around July 2012, but this is the first Ive heard of it actually being an issue. www.arabnews.com/node/379698Hopefully Aramco can find a resolution to this issue.
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Post by stevenmahon32 on Feb 14, 2013 18:06:45 GMT
Does the compund in Dhahran have power outlets at 220 Volts and 110 Volts. I will be coming from UAE and will ship appliances that are 220 Volts. Will this be OK.
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Post by CanPeng on Feb 15, 2013 3:52:26 GMT
This is the latest on this, I'm told that the information about the strict application of the new policy and the direction to relocation staff to advice new hires not to ship 110V appliences was given to Aramco this week only (talk about how lucky am I, this is exactly the reason why I don't buy lottery tickets!) I think I will take the risk and ship anyway. Can anyone who actually shipped his stuff give advice on how manage the risk
PS:Regarding 220V, all houses have a socket or two for 220V as far as I know, if you search the forum you should find many old posts that talk about this.
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Post by Hadia on Feb 15, 2013 5:09:38 GMT
If this is true, then this may become a huge issue not just for new hires, but also for existing Aramcons who may bring things back from repat trips or have things shipped in. Does anyone know if this pertains to all 110 devices, or is it larger appliances that would be confiscated?
Perhaps someone on this forum who is involved with safety can speak with knowledge on the ramifications of plugging 220 electrical items in a 110 wired home, including the issues of transformers and plug adaptors. There is much contradictory information if you google this, on whether it's safe and whether items will work. I'm guessing burning down your Aramco housing due to electrical safety violations doesn't get your iqama renewed...
As I've mentioned in this forum previously, when we called to get just one additional 220 plug put in the kitchen, we were told the program was on hold indefinitely for safety reasons and they put us on a wait list already 100 deep at that point. This was a few months ago, and we've never been contacted about the wait list. I will call them back this week and let you know what they're saying at this point.
I wonder if the ban on importation of 110 appliances will also extend to people's luggage and carry-ons, or if this is more about freight that is shipped. For instance, what if an Aramcon family has 110 personal care appliances, medical devices, computer and phone charger cords, etc. and needs to take them to the US on vacation. Will all of that stuff then be confiscated upon reentry in Dammam?
I hope the residents will be instructed on how to handle the situation, since it is not our choice that the camp is all 110 and that's what we're supposed to use in our homes. I feel badly for new hires packing up their homes. Whether or not you decide to risk sending over the 110 items, Vpainter makes a good point about labeling everything to make it clear to customs that you're coming into an Aramo camp. Use removable labels for sure; we overlooked that detail and still have unsightly labels and glue residue on things. The movers were very thorough at wrapping everything up in much padded paper with heavy tape. Most of those items were never opened by customs. Among those items were our kitchen appliances, lamps and the like.
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Post by Texas on Feb 15, 2013 6:08:19 GMT
Unfortunately it is true! The Saudi Ministry of Commerce & Industry (MoCI) has notified the Saudi Customs that the following electrical products are to be banned, and the individual dates of implementation of these bans are as follows:
•ALL products (not just appliances) with an operating voltage of 110V/120V will be banned for import starting May 21st, 2012. •All spare parts for products with an operating voltage of 110V/120V will be banned for import starting November 20th, 2025. •All products with dual voltage 127/220 volts will be banned starting February 28th, 2016. Only products rated 220V or 230V will be allowed into KSA after this period.
If you notice, it is hard to find 110V light bulbs at Saco and other stores. Unless Aramco starts installing the 220V wall sockets, those of us who live in a 110V house will face some challenges.
I guess we will be taking chances when bringing small 110V products such as hair dryers, irons, hair clippers, etc.
How about the new employees who are packing their stuff back at home (US), are they instructed not to ship 110V appliances? I don't believe so because a new guy who just arrived has no knowledge of this new regulation and his sea shipment (filled with 110V products) is due to arrive in May. He is a bit worried now.
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Post by vpainter on Feb 15, 2013 10:07:54 GMT
Aramco upper management may have to get involved in this issue for Aramcons.
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Post by expatwife on Feb 16, 2013 18:27:54 GMT
I'm not sure about appliances being confiscated as many of us new comers in the past few months, none got their 110V appliances taken so far. Hope yours will pass, too. In my house everything is 110 plug. There are some houses with both. Re lightbulbs, I have not have issue finding them in Saco, Abyat and some lighting store in the souk. Quite a lot of selection from regular to energy saving ones.
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Post by Overland on Feb 16, 2013 18:33:35 GMT
Rumor and conjecture aside, here is the real story as I know it.
We are about a week out on our shipment. I have approximately $11k in 110v electrical items. I stand to lose a lot if my 110v items are confiscated.
We know of two parties that have had 110v items removed. This was out of a much larger number that have had their items passed through intact. The thought right now is that one individual on the dock may be acting as the 110v police where others are ignoring the import ban. We hope he is not our guy and keep our fingers crossed. Our e-boxes arrived with the 110v stuff in place. As such, we have a microwave, vacuum, and steam mop in our possession. This arrived 2 months ago.
I have had Aramex ship in some 110v electrical parts from Amazon to add convenience outlets in my workroom ceiling, and some UL listed powerstrips. This stuff is NOT available in any location in the immediate vicinity nor in Bahrain. There are a few NOS odds and ends in the Khobar souks, but that is diminishing.
You will NOT be seeing any 220v outlets extended to any area of the house for a while. They were using the hot and neutral legs to run 2 phases of 110v (110 x 2 = 220...sorta...in lay terms) to the outlets without any neutral. The 220-240v items available for purchase in town uses a single phase 240 hot, a neutral and a grounding conductor. This is not safe to operate on 220 without the neutral and the ground. Community Services and Utilities will be working up a plan to add circuits safely to houses using safe and listed transformers...but don't expect that to happen for quite a bit.
Many consumer electrical items are dual voltage. Most cellphone and laptop power supplies are. Our Sony TV is dual voltage as well as my wife's curling iron. Anything with a motor will NOT be dual voltage. You can figure this out by reading the data plate on the appliance.
There are lots of transformers and regulated power supplies available locally. I would suggest using listed devices that provide fan cooling for the transformer as part of the unit. The standalone transformers without fans used to step up the voltage tend to run quite hot, even at design wattage. That could lead to a house fire, or burn somebody accidently. Simple wall plug adaptors are only for dual voltage appliances.
Had I known that this would be an issue, I would have made some "improvements" to my machinery that I brought in to upgrade it to 220v...in appearance, but maybe not in reality...
ASC is aware of the issue. The notice that Canpeng received is the same that I got last week. They are using it as disclosure for those of you that have not shipped your items. I will let you all know the outcome of our experience. If I had the chance to make a few adjustments, my extra luggage would have been LOADED with appliances as they were not much concerned with that.
Best of luck to you all!
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Post by Hadia on Feb 17, 2013 3:43:29 GMT
Thank you for sharing your experience with importing 110v items, and explaining the issue of 220 plugs in the Aramco houses, and why the installations stopped. We kept hearing, oh just call and request a 220 plug, each family can get one in the kitchen, blah, blah, blah. Good to hear a technical explanation of what the situation really is. I hope Aramex will continue to deliver 110 v appliances, but won't be surprised to hear they start turning them away, too, if it's already happening at other customs checks.
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Post by CanPeng on Feb 17, 2013 8:08:15 GMT
Thanks to everyone who's sharing thoughts on this, this is very helpfull, I will call the embassy this week and see what they have to say about that. By the way, the Employee Shipment Unit in Dahran was the original source of the information, if anyone wants to phone them up
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Post by Thyssenkrupp on Feb 17, 2013 16:11:38 GMT
Any one please help with his experience recently. I am flying to Dammam from USA by the end of march 2013 with 110v appliances which include Microwave, Vacuum cleaner, iron etc.... and all kind of 110v appliances with me by air. I took cash in lieu and decide to take all stuff with me by air rather ship. Does any one have any experience recently if they stop at Dammam airport by customs and open your bags and check the stuff inside. I am worried now as I spend lot of money on all the items and if they will be revoked by customs at Dammam airport it will be a loss for me. I will appreciate any comments which is going to be great help and if that is the case than I will return all appliances and not going to bring with me.
Thyssen
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Post by UmmRiyam on Feb 17, 2013 16:25:33 GMT
We just returned from the US, and we brought humidifiers, a hair straightener, electric shaver, crock pot, steam mop, a Bissel cleaning machine for spots, and some other misc stuff. We flew into Riyadh and were not questioned about anything. I think it's silly for them to police personal imports on 110 V items. I hope you all get your things!
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