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Post by Argonaut on Feb 22, 2012 3:47:45 GMT
Please, can someone explain the differences between so-called "geophysical specialists" and "geophysical consultants"?
Are there for instance: 1. Different levels of responsibility? 2. Different levels/years of experience and industry "expert" recognition? 3. Different Grade Code ranges? 4. Differences in Compensation or perks?
Thank you to anyone that can help shed light on this cryptic subject - it has thus far proven hard to get an unambiguous explanation.
Thank you.
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Post by vpainter on Feb 22, 2012 9:01:15 GMT
Same responsibilities, no perks except possibly in housing bidding.
otherwise it is a grade code difference with consultant being a higher GC.
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Post by Argonaut on Feb 23, 2012 1:56:23 GMT
Thank you, vpainter, for your very prompt reply.
Do you (or anyone else on the forum) know: (1) The GC range for "Geophysical Specialist" position ? (2) The GC range for "Geophysical Consultant" position ?
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Post by Quanta on Feb 25, 2012 4:18:57 GMT
Geophysical Specialist : GC 15 Geophysical Consultant : GC 16
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Post by Argonaut on Feb 26, 2012 22:11:17 GMT
Thank you very much for your reply, Quanta.
Do you (or anyone on the board, for that matter) know if there is an ex-pat geophysical position higher than "Geophysical Consultant" or Grade Code 16?
I'm trying to relate Aramco positions/grades to other oil companies that I am more familiar with.
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Post by trojan on Feb 28, 2012 3:19:46 GMT
Assuming that the base pay is set by your current salary, is it better to hire in as a specialist or as a consultant?
Its strange to have two separate grade codes with no obvious differences. What is the rationale for doing it this way?
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Post by vpainter on Feb 28, 2012 20:58:24 GMT
Better to hire in as a consultant with the higher GC.
Only Aramco knows why the 2 position les. Its just they way they created them, could be based on years of experience.
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Post by Argonaut on Feb 29, 2012 4:01:22 GMT
Is it possible for there to be Grade Code overlap between positions?
For instance, could some Geophysical Specialists have GC 16, while some Geophysical Consultants have GC 15?
I just recently heard that there are a few ex-pat geophysicists (Senior Geophysical Consultants?) with GC 17. Does anyone know anything about that?
Thank you all for your replies.
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Post by Quanta on Feb 29, 2012 6:54:59 GMT
Argonaut,
There are salary overlap but no grade code overlap as far as I know. I've seen a person with GC13 has higher base salary than a few GC14 engineers.
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Post by vpainter on Feb 29, 2012 7:08:05 GMT
Some GC level increases are given as a part of your annual salary increase, so some could be higher GC's over time.
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Post by GroveWanderer on Feb 29, 2012 18:37:12 GMT
No, it is not possible for there to be an overlap. Job les are linked to the grade code on a one-to-one basis.
Aramco arranges job les into "job families" so that there is an available career path within each discipline. For instance, you have Petroleum Engineer I, II, III & IV, PE Specialist, PE Consultant and Senior PE Consultant as part of the PE job family, each job le corresponding to a different GC. Each GC has a salary range and while the mid-point of each GC's salary range will be higher than the corresponding previous one, as Quanta said, the top of one GC's salary range can be higher than the low point of the next higher GC's range.
What vpainter said about GC level increases doesn't quite give the right picture - you get annual salary increases (normally) while remaining within the same grade code but in addition (or separately) to that, based on various criteria, it is also possible to get promotions from time to time (as in all companies). A promotion takes you from one GC to another (and therefore changes your job le, usually to the next one within the same job family) along with which comes a commensurate increase in salary.
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Post by Argonaut on Mar 1, 2012 0:58:08 GMT
Thanks everyone for your posts - tremendously helpful. The GC system seems much clearer to me now than before. The Aramco Joble/GC system, with its overlapping salary bands, sounds a lot like the big oil companies that I am familiar with.
I am also wondering if the le, Geophysical Specialist, might be reserved for technical specialists (experts in specific geophysical technologies), whereas Geophysical Consultant might be reserved for more general explorationists? It does not sound like it, as judged from the various replies to my post.
Is there a hard cut-off between GC for Geophysical Specialist and GC for Geophysical Consultant (e.g., GC15 versus GC16)?
What happens for ex-pats(if anything) above GC16?
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Post by GroveWanderer on Mar 2, 2012 17:52:32 GMT
The difference between Geophysical Specialist and Consultant (as per the next answer) is primarily a GC difference. Each job le (and corresponding GC) has a slightly different job description and minimum job requirements. Since one is a higher GC than the other, with higher pay, the requirements to be hired at a higher GC are, in broad terms, to have higher skills and/or qualifications and/or experience.
Already asked and answered (by Quanta):
Without trying to sound too flippant, the answer is fairly obvious. If you can get a promotion (which you can, depending on various different factors, of course) after GC 16 comes GC 17.
GC 17 is a "managerial-level" position so often an employee (whether expat or Saudi) getting to that level can be moving out of a technical area in to a more administrative, supervisory or managerial position. While it is very unusual these days for an expat to actually become a department manager (I don't know of any in the Business Lines I'm familiar with these days, though there used to be some in the past and may still be some in areas I don't know about) there are other GC 17 positions you can get into.
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Post by Argonaut on Mar 3, 2012 1:47:14 GMT
My thanks to all for the detailed information on the Aramco geophysical career ladder.
GroveWanderer, do you know what the position le is for a geophysicist doing technical work at GC17? Is there a position at Aramco called Senior Geophysical Consultant ?
Do technical careers of the National employees progress along the same ladder/GC system as the Ex-Pat exployees?
Thanks - Argonaut
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Post by GroveWanderer on Mar 3, 2012 8:15:42 GMT
There is definitely such a position and I think it should be GC17, though I'm not 100% sure of that.
Basically, yes.
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