Uman
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Post by Uman on Jan 22, 2012 2:55:29 GMT
culliganwater.com.au/culligan-at-home/currently I am pretty close to this company.....within 300kms I think..... 8) Im thinking of stocking up on a few items before departure, once the BI is over etc.
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Post by Mr Barlow on Jan 22, 2012 6:49:48 GMT
Old wives tale that its the water :roll: . Hairloss is invariably down to male pattern baldness, hormonal changes, occasionally dietary deficiencies and in rare occurences infection.
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Post by katanga on Jan 22, 2012 8:17:14 GMT
Mr Marlow, the quality of the water we use is a very important issue as it affects our lifes and our living standard. Water and its quality is one of the biggest challenges humanity will face in the future.
It is very important for me to provide for my family and to ensure a certain living standard, which is not measured in $$ but in basic quality of life factors: Safety, water, air, cleanliness, education, healthcare, etc.
Moving to Saudi Arabia is a big decision. We are well travelled people and are open and willing to accept the cultural differences and the fact that life as we know it in the US or Western Europe cannot and it is not going to be the same in the KSA. This and my knowledge/experience is what the money we will be paid is for. But no amount of money is going to make me compromise the basic quality of life factors for my family I mentioned above.
Aramco can provide almost all of the key factors: Education, safety, cleanliness, healthcare, etc. The one I do know it cannot provide is water quality as I experienced it first hand in DHA last year. And other people currently living in Saudi posted to confirm this. For me it is only a matter of finding a solution to a technical problem staying within the rules, that simple. And this Forum did help me to understand the rules and to find a solution I am comfortable with.
I do understand and respect the fact that someone decides to ignore the issue of water quality, it is their choice and at the end it is their health and that of their families, but I do find distasteful and out of place your efforts to ridicule a serious point.
It is scientifically proven that high chlorine contend in the shower/tub water (together with other harmful chemicals like fluoride, etc.) causes hair loss and skin irritation, not to mention the dramatic effects of heavy chlorinated water on asthmatic people/children. Please contact Texas Children Hospital in Houston and they will be glad to provide you a detailed guide and all the data you might desire. I assure you I do know as the father of an asthmatic child who was in need of adrenaline shots in an ambulance after swimming in a heated indoor pool with heavily chlorinated water last year.
I apologize for the rant.
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Post by Carolina on Jan 22, 2012 18:18:57 GMT
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Any of you with serious worries PM me as I have just recieved up to date information.
Thanks Carolina
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Post by katanga on Jan 23, 2012 6:38:59 GMT
Hi Carolina,
I tried to send you a PM, but it is stuck in my outbox. Is there anything special setting that I need to do?
Thanks
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Uman
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Post by Uman on Jan 23, 2012 21:35:20 GMT
Im not too woried but if I am informed now I can plan for a comfortable future. I think a few Culligan filters and showerhead might be a prudent buy.
If you are what you eat.....then you are what you drink also..... :roll:
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Post by Carolina on Jan 24, 2012 5:49:32 GMT
o Katanga
I did in fact receive your PM and I have answered it - all the houses here in Ras Tanura are going through major checking of water lines etc.
Carolina
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Post by Mr Barlow on Jan 24, 2012 18:55:28 GMT
I wasn't riduculing anyones post I was simply challenging what is an old wives tail that hair loss (which in 99% of cases is male pattern balding) is caused by anything other than sensitivity to male androgens - notably dihydrotestosterone :roll:
There is no evidence that concentrations of Chlorine in water at 0.5-3PPM (DHA water is typically 0.5-1PPM) causes any significant health issues which is why it is used as a disinfectant. However some combined chlorine products encountered in swimming pools due to unhygenic people depositing their bodily wastes in the water may cause sensitive people (asthmatics for example) some discomfort.
I get fed up with hearing about the health effects of chlorine, usually purported by ill informed media campaigns. Sure 'statistically' 1 in 50 million people may get stomach cancer from chlorinated water but put that in perspective with the fact 1.5 - 2.0 million die from waterborne diseases due to lack of disinfected water (x20 for chronic ill health).
Edit - RE: Water Quality in DHA Pools. The reason it is often so poor is the unhygenic behaviour of users. Tip - take a shower before, remove make up, and refrain from urinating in it :roll:
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Post by Mr Barlow on Jan 24, 2012 20:13:47 GMT
At high levels - 0.5-3PPM is not by any definition high.
If your position is that Chlorination of water at levels typically encountered in public utility water systems (including Aramco) routinely causes these problems then perhaps you could back this up with some links to peer reviewed scientific journals supporting your case?
By all means fit a shower head if this makes you happy. I am the last person in the World to stand in the way of any man and his water filters however I reserve the right to challenge factually incorrect information posted in public forums as I see fit.
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Post by Carolina on Jan 25, 2012 1:08:38 GMT
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I write from a personal view but to report the water we shower in is causing a lot of serious skin problems especially for my husband who suffers with psriouis (sorry have spelt that wrong) and I can report many women here on our compound are seriously suffering with hair loss - we know it is the water - but nothing is being done to improve it so thank you for the information about how we can make it better.
I cannot understand why Aramco allow this when we have lived in many countries and never had a problem with water quality and that includes West Africa - in fact I am completely baffled.
Incidentally I can only speak about Ras Tanura but my neighbour who has lived here for over 20 years can report the water has changed and she has had the same problem of serious hair loss so we have reverted to using bottled water for everything.
Carolina
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Post by GroveWanderer on Jan 25, 2012 11:09:09 GMT
I wouldn't know about chlorine, but hard water is generally held to exacerbate skin problems. The reason for this is normally given as follows: "The build-up or "hardening" of minerals in hard water makes it very difficult for other substances to dissolve in that water, including soaps and detergents. The various undissolved substances can leave a surface residue on the washing machine, your clothing, your plumbing, tub, or shower — and your hair and skin. With that, bathing and washing our clothes in hard water can lead to increased skin irritation. The soap residue left behind on your skin clogs the pores and irritates the skin, making it itchy, flaky, and dry. The minerals in the hard water itself can also clog skin pores, which can be especially harmful to more sensitive areas like the face. Facial skin or other areas that are thin, reddened, or irritated from associated dry skin conditions may worsen, with flushing from damage to the blood vessels." Documents supporting this view are: Forrest, L. 2007. Hard water hard on your skin? URL: ezinearticles.com/?Hard-Water-Ha ... &id=477009 Warren, et al. 1996. The influence of hard water (calcium) and surfactants on irritant contact dermais. Contact Dermais, 35 (6), 337-343. URL (abstract): www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7962781Skipton, S. & Dvorak, B. 1996. Drinking Water: Hard Water (Calcium and Magnesium). URL: elkhorn.unl.edu/epublic/pages/pu ... tionId=175
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Post by Carolina on Jan 25, 2012 23:34:49 GMT
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Yes this is what we are experiencing with our skin especially my husband - seemingly all the compounds in Khobar only use 100% sweet water so why can't Aramco do something about this important problem.
Carolina
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Post by vidalbra on Jun 14, 2012 10:05:18 GMT
o Katanga,
I hope your relocation has been successful and ease on the family. You started quite an @trail here - I must say very very informative and useful, so THANKS. I have moved in about a month ago and will be traveling to the US for among other things, pick up the wife and boys and wonder if the results were positive so I can bring some of the filters with me.
I wonder how the tests with the Culligam shower heads went
I would highly appreciate your comments - tried to send you a PM but I must be doing something wrong ;(.
Thanks in advance
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Post by Dahailang on Jun 25, 2012 12:50:57 GMT
it is not good to drink the RAW water ... with salinity > 2000 mg/L it is not suitable for human consuption as it is way above the USEPA standards for safe drinking water.
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Post by GroveWanderer on Jun 26, 2012 7:17:14 GMT
I don't think anyone does drink the raw water - at least, not that I've ever heard of. Our cat seemed to like it though, she preferred drinking out of the toilet bowl, to drinking the sweet water we put in her dish.
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