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Post by zhujj09 on Feb 6, 2019 16:02:31 GMT
I am an international candidate from Asia and obtained PhD degree in US. I am on the track to obtain the US green card with i140 being approved. The HR said I would be placed on eastern payroll. However, I have no idea what eastern payroll it is.
I do appreciate if anyone PM me the pay scale for GC 13 or eastern payroll based on background. Thanks in advance!
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Post by trebbie on Feb 8, 2019 12:24:39 GMT
Hi there
Very much doubt that you will get a response to this one - clearly salaries and grades are a sensitive issue for any business. I recommend working out what figure makes sense to you in your personal circumstances to move and preferably be happy about doing so. If you are being offered this, accept. If not, negotiate or move on.
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Post by BlueStaff on Feb 10, 2019 4:16:24 GMT
Aramco pay what they need to, in order to get you to join - based on your current location and salary.
In effect that means that if you are based in a country where salaries and the cost of living are significantly lower than the US (for example) then your offer will be based on that country and likely be lower.
So in effect there is no one catch-all figure to give you the salary for a particular grade. A GC12 could make more than a GC13 based solely on the internal range of each GC, and also you could have the geographical part based on country of origin further confusing things.
If the salary on offer is enough for you to take up assignment in Kingdom, go for it. If HR have already discussed the fact that you would be on Eastern payroll then I would assume that they have already discussed likely salaries also.
Financially it may have been better for you to aquire the green card and work in the US for a few years before applying - there are many people here on Canadian passports for example.
Salaries are very closely guarded. I do not know what any of my colleagues earn. Not even one of them after 5 years, so I don't expect you will get much responsere either.
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Post by siliconvalleyexpat on Oct 3, 2019 17:39:12 GMT
I am in the offer preparation/waiting stage now with Aramco. I am being recruited into a corporate function at Aramco. It's a specialized field and I bring 20 years of experience from leading US companies, industry certification, and a graduate degree. I am being told that the offer will come under the GC13 classification. I haven't received the formal offer yet, but I am skeptical as to how Aramco will be able to offer me an attractive enough package given my current compensation and seniority level in Silicon Valley. Any thoughts would be appreciated.
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arcticengineer
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Post by arcticengineer on Oct 7, 2019 5:53:44 GMT
You need to look at the entire package, base pay, uplift, medical, taxes, cost of living, retirement etc. when comparing your offer to your current compensation. Most importantly look at the take home pay. Honestly many candidates are a bit disappointed when they see their base salary (I was), you have to look at the whole picture. Your offer is also open to negotiation.
I grew up in the Bay Area and started my career there so am familiar with both salaries, and cost of living. Honestly as an engineer I never found the salaries commensurate with the cost of living and that was back in the 80's and 90's. While salaries may be high, you have some of the most expensive housing in the country, then add in state income tax, sales tax, medical insurance costs, long commutes, property taxes, etc. With Aramco the majority of you salary is going to be take home pay.
For me, my offer wasn't a huge bump in salary, but with a plan to work for Aramco for 5+ years and qualify for the defined benefit retirement plan and medical plan it is a game changer in terms of when I can retire. Even with a fair bit of traveling, we should be able to save the majority of my pay and again that allows for an earlier retirement.
I see little downside in the move personally. I get an adventure, I get to visit a part of the world many people don't, I get to learn a new culture and have a better understanding and appreciation of it, working for the major oil company in the world is a big plus for my resume, I'll meet interesting people from all over the world, and the pay and benefits for me a big increase to what the EPC engineering firms offer in the US. We'll have the time and funds to travel to Europe and other parts of the world.
It's tough to make an apples to apples comparison because you'll likely have a very different lifestyle and how you quantify that in terms of $'s is tough and ultimately up to you.
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Post by siliconvalleyexpat on Oct 7, 2019 6:28:02 GMT
Hi Arcticengineer, many thanks for the feedback. Given that you’ve been through the full experience, and having moved from the Bay Area yourself, I would be very interested in chatting with you and exchange thoughts. How can we connect directly?
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Post by arcticengineer on Oct 7, 2019 17:16:03 GMT
I'm not sure how to contact members directly. I'm not completely through the process, still waiting for my visa and then I'll be headed over.
When you get an offer, ask your recruiter to help you understand everything that's in it. It's likely not even close to an apples to apples to a US compensation, so you really need to figure out how the salary, retirement benefits, medical benefits, tax situation etc. pencil out. It took my awhile to understand what you qualify for in retirement and medical after 5 years. Bottom line is if you're willing to put in 5+ years, you'll likely be in a much better financial situation, but everyone's situation is unique. That's not to say that the offers of lucrative for everyone's situation, but in many cases it is.
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Post by siliconvalleyexpat on Nov 21, 2019 21:51:56 GMT
Salary and uplift offered = my salary in the US (which is high for the US). Does this formula sound right for Aramco practices or is it way off? Offer seems reasonable to me, considering all the expat benefits in Saudi.
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Post by dpgaines2000 on Nov 26, 2022 7:20:10 GMT
As an FYI - Salary is dependent on a number of factors: Payroll (US Dollar, Global, Other?), Education Location, Education "rating" (There is a difference between graduation from Stanford and Southern Illinois Univ), work provenance (meaning where you were employed and how long) etc. As has been explained: key on these factors to decide whether or not KSA is right for you: Salary, FSP/C&S Allowance, Retirement benefits, Travel Allowances, etc. More importantly: does a 35-40 hour work week mean anything to you? How about having lunch with your family? What about access to travel? Curiosity to an undiscovered country (KSA is barely scratching the surface exploring it's tourism industry)? I know lawyers that took a 50% haircut to cut down to a manageable work schedule and "life-prolonging destressing" as I have met people getting 50% bumps in pay, but being ed off because their careers stall.
If you want to have quality of life vs a "career" like you have in the rest of the world, the pay will be very satisfying. If you're solely focusing on the dollar-equivalent, I would advise pulling together a Pro/Con list.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2022 9:24:33 GMT
Agree with other comments.
If it’s a pure $ play then you’ll be better off in a well paid position back home (assuming you are in decent role already in a western market). Salaries are not what they used to be and the pension is extremely poor for new joiners now.
Never forget that your career is effectively over by taking an Aramco role. Promotion is next to impossible, you’ll be actively discriminated against.
The eastern payroll isn’t great, I’d seriously consider if that is even a viable option.
If it’s just fewer working hours, sunshine, and a more relaxed working environment, then coming here is a no brainier. There are different types of stresses here but long hours isn’t one of them!
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Post by fedee on Dec 14, 2022 3:32:53 GMT
For US payroll is it true that if you work for 10 years for Aramco you and your spouse will have lifetime health covee?
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Post by jrs on Dec 14, 2022 5:22:50 GMT
Yes, somewhat or heavily subsidized. The other stipulation is u have to remain until age 55. So, 10 & 55. Used to be age 50 but Aramco up it to 55 a few years back.
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Post by ghzhujwmao on Dec 14, 2022 17:10:57 GMT
Salary and uplift offered = my salary in the US (which is high for the US). Does this formula sound right for Aramco practices or is it way off? Offer seems reasonable to me, considering all the expat benefits in Saudi. are you saying that Aramco's base salary+ expat premium=your salary in the US? or Aramco's new base salary=your salary in the US?
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Post by arcticengineer on Dec 16, 2022 8:12:40 GMT
Agree with other comments. If it’s a pure $ play then you’ll be better off in a well paid position back home (assuming you are in decent role already in a western market). Salaries are not what they used to be and the pension is extremely poor for new joiners now. Never forget that your career is effectively over by taking an Aramco role. Promotion is next to impossible, you’ll be actively discriminated against. The eastern payroll isn’t great, I’d seriously consider if that is even a viable option. If it’s just fewer working hours, sunshine, and a more relaxed working environment, then coming here is a no brainier. There are different types of stresses here but long hours isn’t one of them! That pretty well sums it up. I don't know about active discrimination, it depends on who you are working with. It's also worth noting most Saudis have limitations on their advancement so it's not just the expats that are kept down. As far as the relaxed atmosphere, yes and no. With the push for Saudiazation, unless you are a high performer and show your worth to the organization its not automatic you can put in your 10 years. I've seen quite a few expats laid off the past few years because they weren't deemed high performers.
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Post by markos on Feb 19, 2023 6:36:09 GMT
Hi there,i received an offer in Marketing and i am about to join in a few months.My age is 54-55 so i will be out of the company at 60.Do you know a) if there will be an opportunity for me to extend the contract for 1-2 years ideally and b) how i can prolong my work stay in the Kingdom or neighboring countries as back in my home country retirement age is 67 so i will have to fill the gap somehow many thanks
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