FPEPRO
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Post by FPEPRO on Jul 30, 2015 5:55:41 GMT
Greetings all, First post for me. I'm an engineer in the US, and was recently made an offer from Aramco. I am in the relocation process now, and I'm beginning to pack for the move. I believe after seeing the cash-in-lieu option that I'm just not interested at that price point. I have very nice furniture and personal effects that truly make our home a true home. So buying a new house full of random stuff at IKEA just sounds horrible to us. That being said... I am curious on the restrictions imposed on Aramco moves, and what is simply not allowed, what can get you in trouble, and what can land you in jail for packing. I understand you can't pack things like guns, illicit drugs, or explosives. Those things are obvious. I am more curious about the morally objectionable items. I have a nice library of reference books and children's books for example that I would hate to loose. I'm not interested in parting with them, and putting them in stoe back in the US seems silly since we are intended on living in KSA for many years (i.e. we're not going just to make some quick money) Stuff like this is what I would like to hear about. I have seen the lists of things "to bring", but I'd like to know more information. Thank you. -CT Reference that I've been using so far: verigates.bureauveritas.com/wps/wcm/connect/68534677-0e1b-4c18-af27-e2d8ebace368/SAUDI+ARABIA++-+Import+Guide+01+-+Banned+and+restricted+products+Ed.+1.5.pdf?MOD=AJPERES
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Post by Phoenix on Aug 7, 2015 23:49:19 GMT
Sorry I don't have an answer to your query, but thanks for the useful link.
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Post by bogiefrommuskogee on Aug 8, 2015 8:01:22 GMT
Having gone through six international moves, I can tell you that this is traumatic to nice furniture. Just a heads up. With the exception of doing something stupid, there is really no restriction on what you can bring with you. With books, DVDs, CDs, etc, put a label on each one with your name and badge number because it might possibly get taken for review before it is returned to you. I kept my furniture in climate controlled stoe for 15 years. When I finally got it out, I got rid of most of it. My tastes had changed. If you bring December holiday items, they might be accidentally stomped on repeatedly by customs. Even October holiday items are not allowed but it is not likely that customs will look through every single box. Unfortunately they can be a bit like Zorro with their box cutters when going through your things. It is what it is. Remember that Aramco housing can be smaller than where you currently are living. You can always sell things once you arrive but you are not likely to get fair value. Ikea is only 5 minutes away.
With regard to Aramco restrictions, they are pretty clear. No vehicles, boats, etc. if you could somehow manage to get in a 40 ft container full of artificial pine trees, you would become a multimillionaire but I really wish to discoue you from making the attempt. Even Aramco would not look kindly on that. Movers will not pack things like spices but if something accidentally makes it into a box while their backs are turned, no harm no foul. A few spices are actually restricted like vanilla and nutmeg that I know of. Most spices can be found here but you might go for months at a time without seeing them. In particular I have trouble finding sage so I will offer that sage advice. If a container ever had alcohol in it at any point of its existence or might even be suspected of having done so, leave it in the USA.
And for those of you who don't know what a CD is, it is an old technology for storing music. Just Google it.
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Post by FPEPRO on Aug 9, 2015 4:47:09 GMT
I appreciate the response bogie. That of course brings up a second question... well questions.
Might it be better to crate some of the nicer furniture myself? Could that help, or are they just going to destroy them while searching for contraband? I have crated before due to rough handling so it's no big deal if it would help.
Also, during their Zorro-like slicing and dicing, is it common for them to open everything in the boxes? My point being, some things have safety seals for a reason to keep out contaminates. I had planned on bringing a stock of a few things with me, but both my wife and I would be pretty put-off if they cracked the factory seals on everything. And since I am on that subject, I have heard medications can be a problem. But what about over-the-counter medicine, vitamins, etc? Are these likely to get taken by Zorro?
And, in regards to the alcohol... Is that Alcohol meant for consumption (ethanol) only, or any product known to man to contain anything remotely similar to alcohol in all forms ( example: hand sanitizer, child sanitizing wipes, wound cleaning kits, cleaners, etc.)
Thanks.
-CT
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Post by bogiefrommuskogee on Aug 9, 2015 6:27:06 GMT
I expect your packers will do an excellent job. They usually do. My last move I got some damage due to the way the nicely packed furniture was stored in the container followed by vibration during road transport. If you do any of the work yourself, it might affect the insurance claim in case of damage because they will mark the inventory that you packed it yourself.
In customs, the guys get out their box cutters and, while I don’t think they go out of their way to do harm, they are more interested in speed than care. Luck of the draw really. One of my leather couches got sliced on the back but not enough to actually look inside – just a really bad scratch. They can go through everything if they choose to but I think they usually start going through things and, if they don’t find anything too unusual, they begin to lose interest. Can also depend on how hot it is outside. Once in Abu Dhabi, I had an entire 40 ft container gone through at the port. Movers tried to help but customs had an army going through my shipment and there was no way to keep up. After they were done, there was no way the movers could get everything repacked and into the container again. On a move to Dubai, the guy opened three boxes at random, just peered inside and stamped the release once he saw they matched the inventory.
I personally would have no issue bringing a stock of OTC medicines and do so annually during repat. If you have prescription meds, hand carry them. Saudi Arabia is beginning to crack down on some prescription meds where they manufacture a similar one in country. Non-competing meds are not so much of an issue. They are just trying to help out the budding local industry. If you tried to bring in OTC meds by the tens of thousands, they will draw attention - especially ones that can potentially be used as building blocks to something else if you understand my meaning. Nyquil and Afrin spray are my absolutes and first on my Walmart list when I go back. Pharmacies are easily available here but you might not find your familiar brands of things. I believe you can still buy many things OTC here that would require a prescription in the USA or Europe. There is a GNC here but if you have a favorite vitamin, certainly bring it.
With regard to safety seals, although not impossible, I think the probability is low they would be broken. It did happen to me once but only that once and only one bottle. My reference to ethanol containers was for the non-denatured variety. You can easily buy sanitizers, first aid supplies, etc. here. I would recommend, however, that you bring a nice supply of Unguentine or similar pain-free product if you have kids. This might prove worth its weight in gold. I would discoue you from bringing too many things like liquid cleaning products. I also recommend you do not allow any aerosol cans in your shipment. If your container arrives in the hot weather, those could explode. Bring oxiclean powder. Very helpful. Another thing you might want to bring is water softener salt for an automatic dishwasher. I’ve never found the salt here. It isn’t totally necessary but I just want that red light on mine to shut off. Tired of looking at it.
Look at your inventory list before you sign off on it. Make sure it generally correctly represents what is in each box. When they start opening boxes and finding significant mismatch, they will want to dig deeper. If everything looks like it should, that is what they want to see. I don’t think they will take things from your shipment without a compelling reason. Carry anything valuable with you – especially electronics.
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Post by rft on Aug 10, 2015 8:18:53 GMT
I can confirm the zoro-like skills employed by customs. Our sea shipment arrived about 4 months ago with several damaged items where customs sliced into sides of boxes with no regard for its contents. They cut about a 2 foot hole in a cushion of our leather sofa so just be aware. Customs will not simply open the top of a box and poke around. They will slice into the side and remove a large square. Don't let it deter you from sending your furniture but its something to take into consideration.
I'd recommend bringing all the 110v appliances you'll need as it is difficult to get outlets switched from 110v to 220v. It can be done but the receptacle will remain a US nema 5-15 outlet and you will need to buy US to universal power adapters. Those adapter have been removed from the commissary due to fire hazards but can still be found at other stores.
The Aramco washers and dryers are low-end and have been used/abused over the years. I'd recommend bringing both a washer and dryer in your sea shipment. After several incidents of destroyed clothes and endless complaints from my wife, we ended up buying a washer locally from the Samsung store. I'd even recommend bringing a fridge from the US as the Aramco provided fridge is nothing special. Definitely bring a 110v microwave. Our kitchen only has 2x 220v outlets in the kitchen so you'll quickly run out of outlets if you do not bring appliances. If you like to grill, definitely bring your grill from the US. They are available here locally but they cost about 2-2.5x time more at SACO or backyardme.com.
One thing we forgot to bring is a gae door opener. You might get lucky and find a used one for sale but I wouldn't depend on it. Also, the military radio frequency may cause interference with your gae door opener. You may want to search the forum for recommendations on brands.
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Post by bogiefrommuskogee on Aug 10, 2015 9:51:11 GMT
I would not go overboard on 110V appliances unless you will be living inside an Aramco community. The national voltage is 220V and, at some point, even the communities may switch over. It was discussed a few years ago when the government banned importation of 110V appliances. I bought the very last 110V vacuum from Zaina a few years ago. Even in the USA, large clothes dryers are 220V so no urgency to bring one of those.
If you choose to bring appliances, my personal preference would be Sears Kenmore because Zaina is their official rep here and should be able to easily get spare parts. Appliances are tricky though because, unless you know where you will be living, you might not know how much space to plan for. I have my own fridge (large) and the one provided by the company as well as an upright freezer and we use all that space. The plus side of Aramco appliances is that they repair them.
Not all houses have gaes. I bought a craftsman gae door opener for my previous house and never had any issues with interference. My current house has a gae but it is so short that there is no room for the bar so I could not install the opener and got rid of it. Since Zaina was forced to stop selling 110V appliances, gae door openers are scarce here and only come up for sale when someone changes house or retires.
The plug adapters are a fire hazard but only because people put things like irons and microwaves on them. They are not designed to handle a lot of current. Great for electronics though. Even so, the ones available locally are pretty poor quality.
I agree bringing a grill is a money saver. If I were to do that, I would get hold of the manufacturer and buy different jets for LPG if they offer them. A grill cover would be highly recommended.
I don't know what the general experience on finding 110V light bulbs is any more. I have hoarded about a 50 year supply so will never have to buy another one here. They may become more scarce. I did buy some incandescent bulbs at Tamimi a couple of weeks for bedside lamps ago but the new energy efficient ones may be a challenge to find at 110V. I don't know that for certain though.
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Post by GroveWanderer on Aug 11, 2015 8:14:12 GMT
I haven't had to worry about 110V light bulbs since Aramco switched all the houses in Dhahran to LED bulbs (I believe they did the same in other areas). The bulbs are supposed to last 5-25 years and the company will replace any that malfunction within the first 3 years.
Since ours were all replaced (well over a year now) none of them have stopped working.
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Post by bogiefrommuskogee on Aug 12, 2015 4:02:06 GMT
Lasting 5-25 years is great news. Means I'll never have to worry about changing a light bulb since I will be gone before then. No more trying to remember "lefty loosey righty tighty".
Or is that "righty loosey lefty tighty"? Oh well. Doesn't matter now.
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FPEPRO
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Post by FPEPRO on Aug 12, 2015 4:09:33 GMT
Thank you for all the responses. I really appreciate it. Sounds like I might ask the movers to wrap our nice stuff with some puncture resistant tarps. Perhaps it would help minimize the damage. One question about those bar-b-ques, do they need to be gas? I have a rather nice charcoal and wood chip grill and smoker. Would there be an objection to those that you know of? Also, do they sell the charcoal there? Also, here is a link to the official Aramco list of items prohibited in relocation shipments. I found this list to be very interesting. It is far more strict than the government list in some respects, but also omits a ton of stuff that is on the government list too. It honestly just confused me more... dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/5331842/Prohibited%20Shipment%20Items.pdf-CT
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Post by bogiefrommuskogee on Aug 12, 2015 4:52:19 GMT
I live in Dhahran community and use charcoal barbeque. Fuel is easily available although wood chips not so much. You might throw chips in your container.
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Post by UmmRiyam on Aug 12, 2015 4:54:10 GMT
yes, you can buy charcoal here. Many saudis actually buy charcoal and firewood and go out into the desert for the day and cook food over a fire.
If you have children, bring good car seats. Bring a nice stroller if you need one.
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Post by CanadianBacon on Aug 12, 2015 6:13:33 GMT
Just to build on the comment on car seats - be aware that many vehicles here do not have built-in anchors for the 'LATCH' system (i.e. the metal hooks that your car seat clips on to). Some have the anchors, just not all.
If you are transferring your seat between your own vehicle and another vehicle that does not have the anchors (e.g. when my wife uses taxis), it is a huge pain to get the seat buckled in using the lap belt.
I have been researching, and Britax has a system called ClickTight that supposedly makes it super-simple to install the seat using the lap belt.
Moving the seat has become such a nuisance, I am actually going to buy one of these Britax seats on my next trip Out of Kingdom, as I haven't been able to get one here. If you have small kids, this is one thing worth splurging on.
Another thing worth spending on is a Maclaren umbrella stroller with the shoulder strap. We have a larger City Mini stroller but we never use it because it's too cumbersome to get in and out of small shopper buses, taxis etc.
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Post by GroveWanderer on Aug 12, 2015 6:38:21 GMT
"Lasting 5-25 years is great news."
Perhaps I should point out that at this juncture, this is still only a theoretical, projected maximum life for some of these bulbs (presumably the better-made ones). We won't know for sure until LED bulbs have actually been around for 25 years but according to various articles I have read, there is a good chance they could actually last that long. Even if they only last 5 years plus, that's still pretty good.
Here's an extract from an article about LED bulbs from the electrical manufacturer Philips:
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Post by FPEPRO on Aug 12, 2015 6:42:13 GMT
I think I'm pretty good for car seats and strollers. I went a bit hog wild on this long before considering Aramco (Note: I did get those fancy Britax seats and stroller).
As for that link I provided in my last post, I have become aware that people in KSA likely can't open it. So here is the text version. This was provided by my Aramco Relocation Adviser in Houston about 2 weeks ago.
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Prohibited Items
All articles entering Saudi Arabia are subject to the close scrutiny of Saudi Arab customs officials, who usually perform a thorough inspection. The following items are not included in shipping weight allowances and are, therefore, not accepted for shipment by the Contractor. Any of the below listed materials found in shipments will be removed and destroyed without notification
All games of change: chess sets, dice, poker chips, dominoes, etc. All weapons and firearms (real or ornamental) Military paraphernalia or equipment of any kind Alcoholic bevees, information or kits for preparation of alcoholic bevees Narcotics Over the counter medication(s) Telescopes Any type of radio receiver or transmitter Satellite or antenna dishes Any statue, figurine, or subject of human or animal form Porn-o-graphy: pictures, magazines, books, films or videos Autos and automotive equipment Surfboards, sailboats, boats Tobacco Collections of high weight or volume (i.e. rocks) Pets, pet shelters and pet food Fertilizer, soil and clay Consumable items: soaps, detergents, toilet paper Foods of any kind (fresh or dry) Articles for private enterprise or resale
Combustible Liquids Alcohols Lubricants Antifreeze compounds or cleaners
Corrosives Acids Drain cleaners Iron/steel Bleach Batteries
Explosives Fireworks Small arms ammunition
Flammables Lighter fluids Matches Glues or adhesives Paint or varnish
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